Resurrection of MILLENNIAL Saints?

[WISDOM]

Greetings Wisdom,

You SPECIFICALLY said that there would be SAINTS IN THE MILLINNIUM that have not died and been changed. I am asking you to cite those evidences.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

DId I "SPECIFICALLY" say that DE, or do YOU perhaps need to reread in it's entirety my initial post which started this thread? :biggrin:

Please pay close attention to the second to the  very last sentence of the very first post.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Wisdom,

Here is a SPECIFIC quote from you:

The evidence remains that there will probably be Saints who die in the Millennium and that they will be raised at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.  I said earlier I won't make this "doctrine" (only speculation), but it's probably the best explanation.

You say there is EVIDENCE, and that "IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST EXPLANATION.

Now if ALL the resurrected and the raptured are CHANGED, how can they die again? See 1 Cor 15. I am not disputing that during the mill. reign many will live to be a ripe old age, but this is speaking of UNBELIEVERS. Believers are going to be reigning with Christ for ALL eternity starting with the mill. reign.

So IF you have evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[WISDOM]

You know DE....

It's sad when people cannot just have a simple discussion without the idea of "refuting" and "proving to the contrary" what is right or what is wrong.  Sad in deed, my friend.  This was not an issue of debate as was noted in the beginning.  You made it otherwise, and I'm not going to waste my time with you on it any further.

[Guest kinnear]

Hi Adstar,

I will try to be concise.

There is no Hebrew or Greek word in the whole Bible which the honourable translators of reputable versions have chosen to translate as Rapture. The word rapture is not in the Bible.

Many folk in churchianity believe that Christ will return twice: once he will come in secret and suddenly snatch the faithful away to heaven. This they call the Rapture.

Then this theory says that Christ will then return a second time very publically viewed by all humans.

The Bible does not teach a secret coming of Christ to snatch the faithful away to heaven.

The Bible teaches a very public return, seen by all of humanity, heralded by the last trump. The faithful dead will be resurrected a short while before the faithful living are changed. Both will rise to meet the Lord in the air and will thenceforth be with the Lord always. And He will not be in heaven.

There will be no rapture as believed by most of churchianity.

Let me make another plaintive plea for an answer from

Anyone? On these boards I have seen John 14:1-3 cited as supporting a supposed rapture. I ask again; where in the whole Bible is the terms "my Father's house" or "the House of God" ever used to indicate the heaven of God's throne. The fact is they never are. And John 14:1-3 is not talking about Christians being raptured to heaven.

Spot ya, Kinnear

[WISDOM]

You know DE....

It's sad when people cannot just have a simple discussion without the idea of "refuting" and "proving to the contrary" what is right or what is wrong.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Wisdom,

Apology accepted. I still would like you to cite the scriptural reference regarding saints who die during the mill reign of Christ. If they have all been changed, how do they die again?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[WISDOM]

Thanks, but no thanks Ernie.  I've removed myself from the thread.

[Adstar]

Hello Kinnear

There is no Hebrew or Greek word in the whole Bible which the honourable translators of reputable versions have chosen to translate as Rapture. The word rapture is not in the Bible

Totally agree with you. But rapture is only a descriptive word used by man to describe the event. It is used for convenience.

The Bible teaches a very public return, seen by all of humanity, heralded by the last trump. The faithful dead will be resurrected a short while before the faithful living are changed. Both will rise to meet the Lord in the air and will thenceforth be with the Lord always. And He will not be in heaven.

If you are going to talk against the pre-trib rapture thing then why did you not just do it? And if you where going to talk against the rapture into heaven thing then why did you not just do it?

But you talked against the rapture and here you say

[Adstar]

Hello All

It's sad when people cannot just have a simple discussion without the idea of "refuting" and "proving to the contrary" what is right or what is wrong.

Thanks, but no thanks Ernie.  I've removed myself from the thread.

I feel for you wisdom. I cannot speak for your intentions in starting this discussion in the way you did But I noted you clearly stated in your first post and I quote:

[Guest kinnear]

Hi Adstar,

But rapture is only a descriptive word used by man to describe the event. It is used for convenience.

It remains a word God chose never to use in describing any event. Whereas God has described this event with several terms which are accurate and understandable. We should use them.

The word "rapture" displays the folly of men who cannot even agree on what it actually is. We have a soapbox on these boards where two are at it hammer and tongs trying to justify their position.

That it is folly is shown by your own words.

If you are going to talk against the pre-trib rapture thing then why did you not just do it? And if you where going to talk against the rapture into heaven thing then why did you not just do it?

You clearly show that the word rapture carries at least two different meanings in the minds of people.

For most in churchianity the word conveys the meaning of being snatched away to the third heaven. The Bible teaches no such thing. Let's dump the word, avoid confusion and use the terms God has inspired.

Regards,

Kinnear