Guest shiloh357 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Jesus did not die a week later. He died on the day of Passover just as foreshadowed, in Exodus 12 No where in the entire Bible we read that Jesus died according to Exodus 12. We read that Jesus is our Passover Lamb and that he did died according to the scriptures. The scriptures explain that the Passover Lamb was sacrficed during Passover Fest, wich - according to the scripture - last a week, having a lamb sacrificed every day. For Jesus to die according with the scriptures, and be the passover lamb, it was enoughj to die any day of the passover week. Jesus was perfectly alive the 14th, wich is the day in Exodus 12. It was not necesary for Jesus to die on the 14th. Otherwise the Gospels are wrong. Exodus 12 is the foreshadowing of Jesus' death. It is a picture of Hiis death as the Passover Lamb. Sorry, but Jesus died at exactly 3:00 PM on the 14th Nisan. The Lamb was not eaten until the beginning of the 15th, in Exodus 12. It was absolutely necessary the Jesus die on the 14th. Exodus 12:6 tells us that the lamb was to be killled on the 14th day of the month at evening, which in Hebrew is Bein Eruvim (between the evenings) That places his death at 3:00 PM because the "evening" in ancient Hebrew culture began at 12:00 noon. It was divided between the lesser evening (12:00-3:00) and the greater evening (3:00 - 6:00). Jesus' gave up His spirit at exactly 3:00 pm or the 9th hour which corresponds to "between the evenings." Sorry, but you are not correct. Jesus could not die on any week during passover. The Bible refers to Jesus in more than one place as the Passover Lamb and so his death must be according to the prescription outlined in Scripture regarding the Passover Lamb. The lambs were killed at a specified time and Jesus, in order to be identified with that imagery, had to match it point for point, which He did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2011 If we celebrate His Birth, His Life and His Sacrifice each and every day we are going to get 'it' right! I personally enjoy celebrating with family and fellowship on December 25. Seems as good a day as any. I'm going to rejoice EVERYday.... People get far too caught up in their own certainties of when, where, what .... and as one poster said - it takes away from the message He was teaching. So - celebrate on Dec. 25, Oct 1, Sept. 22, August 3 .... it does not matter as long as you have Christ in your heart and your eyes on Him. Blessings to all! Amen!!!!!!! It is obvious that all the information on the Gospels are providing the date of Jesus birth it is all superfluous. We do have pagan religions that celebrates december 25th and we can use the same date for Jesus birth. What a waste of writing it is the Gospels. Thanks God we have pagans to complte what is lack on the Bible. Glory to God... and to the gods aswell? Luke tells you when Jesus was born. Problem is that Joaephus gives us the wrong year, and the Catholic Church decided that Josephus was right and not Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nChrist Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 438 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,947 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1949 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Colossians 2:13-17 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. There is a lot of talk about shadows, yet those shadows have been replaced with the Reality of a Living Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He is our REST 24/7. There are many things about Jesus Christ that we should celebrate and be thankful for every day. If we really knew and could prove the date of His Birth, what difference would it make? Don't we give thanks and worship every day? Romans 10:8-10 KJV But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimpleman Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/13/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2011 The actual date of Christ birth is unknown ,but it is believed by some that He was born when the yearlings where born. The Traditional date of December 25 was chosen to compete with the Pegan worship of the Winter celsious. The pegans where going to celebrate on that day anyway so why not something about the True God? The same was done for All hallows eve and other Pegan holidays, our ( Holy Days ). So who determines these traditions and where does the authority to so come from and why do we follow them? Peace be with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2011 The actual date of Christ birth is unknown ,but it is believed by some that He was born when the yearlings where born. The Traditional date of December 25 was chosen to compete with the Pegan worship of the Winter celsious. The pegans where going to celebrate on that day anyway so why not something about the True God? The same was done for All hallows eve and other Pegan holidays, our ( Holy Days ). So who determines these traditions and where does the authority to so come from and why do we follow them? Peace be with you If you read the book of Luke, he tells you when Jesus was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Occrest Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 When was Christ born?....When did he die? When did he rise? Questions that have plagued mankind for almost 2000 years, and will continue to do so till he returns and someone asks him face to face. This argument reminds me of When Elijah challenged the 450 prophets of Baal because they were mixing the worship of God with the worship of Baal. In modern terms, ecumenism. (1 kings 18:17)And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? 18)And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. 19)Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table. 20So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel. 21And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Baal had many other names...Odin, Wodan, Osiris, Nimrod, Tammuz, Molech, El-bar (meaning God the Son), Atlas, Dagon, ...the list goes on.... It is Nimrods birthday that is being celebrated on the 25th of December. A simple, cursory search will let you know this. (Google is you friend) It was Constantine that started this tradition..."After his vision of the cross, he contacted some Christian bishops to learn of the religion of the cross. He liked what the bishops told him and included Christ as part of his pantheon. He also attempted to convert the Empire to this new religion, Christianity. They adamantly refused. Why? They refused to give up their great festivals, particularly Saturnalia. In order to convert the Empire to "Christianity," Constantine, with the help of the bishops, changed the name only of the feast of Saturnalia (from the pagan god Saturn) to Christmas, Christ’s Mass (whatever that means) because the Romans refused to give up their holiday with gift giving, family gatherings and dinners, and ‘office’ orgies. Aside from erroneously claiming that late December was Christ’s birthday, Christmas largely remains Saturnalia with a new name, except that the bishops added to Saturnalia some emotional reference to Jesus’s birth in the manger. Soon the Romans made idols, crèches, of the manger scene as befitting their pagan roots."source You have a choice. You can go on celebrating Christmas as you have been, handing out gifts, telling you kids that "santa" brought them something cause they were good this year.(rewards for works) Or you can search out the scriptures, search out the truth. Acknowledge the fact that wolves have indeed entered the fold, and have been deceiving Believers for almost 2000 years. I leave you with this---John 4:23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncn Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 6 Topic Count: 406 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5,248 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 1,337 Days Won: 67 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 Here we go with the Christmas silly season again When was Jesus actually born? "In the beginning was the Word" He was never born, He always has been... When He came to earth as a man? It makes absolutely no difference to our Faith, nor our belief (well it shouldn't, because there are far more important things to concentrate on). Why is it that a bunch of fat guys on street corners, many looking like homeless people in red bio hazard suits ringing a bell in our faces, invoke such a hysterical response? It's not an anthrax attack. Blessings I have to agree with Fez ( couldnt find an emoticons with a man dreesed in red,,sigh.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimpleman Posted August 21, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/13/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2011 The actual date of Christ birth is unknown ,but it is believed by some that He was born when the yearlings where born. The Traditional date of December 25 was chosen to compete with the Pegan worship of the Winter celsious. The pegans where going to celebrate on that day anyway so why not something about the True God? The same was done for All hallows eve and other Pegan holidays, our ( Holy Days ). So who determines these traditions and where does the authority to so come from and why do we follow them? Peace be with you If you read the book of Luke, he tells you when Jesus was born. I do not wish this to come across as being rude ,but not in any version of any bible that I have read does it State a specific date. signs yes / dates no. I have heard the the us Navy has in the past tried to recreate the constellations back to that time period to see if the was ever a such thing as a star of Bethleham. I do not for the outcome though. Peace be with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 21, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2011 The actual date of Christ birth is unknown ,but it is believed by some that He was born when the yearlings where born. The Traditional date of December 25 was chosen to compete with the Pegan worship of the Winter celsious. The pegans where going to celebrate on that day anyway so why not something about the True God? The same was done for All hallows eve and other Pegan holidays, our ( Holy Days ). So who determines these traditions and where does the authority to so come from and why do we follow them? Peace be with you If you read the book of Luke, he tells you when Jesus was born. I do not wish this to come across as being rude ,but not in any version of any bible that I have read does it State a specific date. signs yes / dates no. I have heard the the us Navy has in the past tried to recreate the constellations back to that time period to see if the was ever a such thing as a star of Bethleham. I do not for the outcome though. Peace be with you Just out of curiosity did you read post number five in this thread??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 25, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted August 25, 2011 oh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. edited by Mizzdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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