angels4u Posted October 24, 2002 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2002 Amen!! I am saved by grace alone and not by anything I did. In Christ saved by grace, Angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevaehinvesting Posted October 25, 2002 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 30 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2002 Don't misunderstand the scripture in James ch 2 talking about faith without works is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 27, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Works are a result, not a requirement. for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Think on this verse: And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Can that possibly be? All things work together for good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsitmean Posted October 27, 2002 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 881 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 27, 2002 Works are a result, not a requirement. for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Think on this verse: And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Can that possibly be? All things work together for good? I'm not sure I'm understandig your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 27, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted October 27, 2002 No, I believe it with all my heart. But all things would have to include failures, sins, etc. It is no more up to us to sanctify ourselves than it is to save ourselves. I know that's hard to swallow for many. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â We stutter and we stammer 'til You say us A symphony of chaos 'til You play us Phrases on the pages of unknown 'Til You read us into poetry and prose We are kept and we are captive 'til You free us Vaguely unimagined 'til You dream us Aimlessly unguided 'til You lead us home By Your voice we speak By Your strength, no longer weak By Your wounds we are healed Passed over and passed by until You claim us Orphaned and abandoned 'til you name us Hidden and disclosed 'til You expose our hearts By Your death we live It is by Your gift that we might give What kind of love would take your shame And spill His blood for you And save us by His wounds? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â N Nordeman (Ephesians 5:18-19) I listened to a sermon yesterday on the Reformation and Martin Luther. So many have risked their lives and so many have died to bring that message of grace without works. Satan would do anything in his power to stop that message. But when the Holy Spirit finally reveals it to you, then it is peace like a river and joy unspeakable. And then there are works, sure, but they are God's works. Sometimes He includes me in His works, unworthy as I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted October 28, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 28, 2002 AMEN BROTHER! :inlove: Â In His Love. Peace Be With You! :thumb: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suzie Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Great post JohnS. Soon Jesus will come again for His Church and all of those faithful who have steadfastly believed on His Truth alone will be taken....Maranatha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Ernie Posted December 8, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,802 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/01/1945 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Greetings All, I know that I am coming in a little late on this subject and it has advanced through many rabbit trails, but I would like to address the issue of keeping the feasts, sabbaths and even circumcision. First let me say that I agree that we are "saved by grace alone", "through faith (trust in the finished work of Christ)" and "this not of ourselves, but it is a gift of God." We are then "created unto good works", meaning that our lives will reflect the "glory of God" in them on a daily basis. These works are not only "the great commission", though that may be a big part of it, but it is the working out of our salvation to emulate Christ and God's grace toward us. Our Jewish brothers in Christ have something that we as gentiles do not have. Their's is the "law and the prophets" and through whom Jesus came. They were the ones who for 2,000 years were the only ones on this earth through whom God manifested His Kingdom to. They have a very rich and colorful past and I am certainly not ashamed to call them my Brothers of those who also believe in Jesus Christ, who are of the "faith of Abraham". They have very rich traditions, feasts and celebrations upon which we as gentiles can only stand idly by and observe and be appreciative for as they reveal much about our own inheritance in Christ. The Messianic Jews observance of such "traditions" in celebrating "their Messiah" is NEVER condemned in the NT. Only when it impinges upon one simple event and that is "we are saved by grace alone." Traditions and customs are good if they bring into rememberance the heritage any of us have received and therefore the Jews are never condemned for their observations. Where the BIG problem is, is when Judaizers, whether Jew or Gentile, attempt to push these "traditions" as though they are somehow required for salvation. There are MANY Messianic Gentile groups that do this very thing, even to the requirement of beards and wearing certain clothing. This is so very unfortunate because it gives the Messianic crowd a bad name for those innocent Messianics who have discovered that remembering the traditions of the Jewish "fathers" give us a rich understanding of our place in Christ. So I do not condemn those, primarily Jews of the family of Jacob, who wish to participate in the cultural traditions of their heritage, and if those "gentiles" who wish to get to understand the Jews better wish to participate in THEIR cultural traditions, then all I can say is AMEN to them. BUT they will be hard pressed by me if they think they can shove their traditions down my throat as a "requirement of my salvation." Blessings to all, Dad Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted December 9, 2002 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted December 9, 2002 Ernie, I hope we are not judging any of Gods people here on this board??? Exuse me here dear friend, I happen to love Gods people and respect very much what they believe, I have never ever heard anybody pushing their opinion on anybody, but do you have somethig against Messianc Jews??? You will have alot to answer for if that is what you are doing. Judging Gods people who have learned about Salvation and who have accepted Jesus as their Savior??? Nobody here has ever (Messianic Jews) mentioned that Salvation is something we have to earn, all do say that we are saved by Grace!! God Bless and I hope I understood what you were trying to explain wrong. I haved never seen anybody as you suggested shoving tradition through somebody's throat as means of Salvation. God Bless,Angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Ernie Posted December 9, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,802 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/01/1945 Share Posted December 9, 2002 Greetings Angels4u, Sorry if I confused you or anyone else for that matter. Earlier in this thread there seemed to be the idea that Jewish traditions were wrong to celebrate. That to live according to the law on one point means one must live by the law in all things. I was just pointing out that no, it was not wrong to celebrate traditions by Jews or anyone else for that matter. As gentiles we have our own "traditions" and these too certainly have no effect on one's salvation. No one here has attempted to shove their traditions down my throat for which I am grateful. I have greatly appreciated the postings in this forum on the various traditions and holidays of our Jewish brothers. Blessings, Dad Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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