regeneration

[lifesharer]

Now as to SUPER JEW and John P

i said i did not wish to enter into this specific issue as of yet! why are you then ignoring my request?

I suggest you taske a little time yourself and read about these word topics using a concordance to find them: " sin NOT", "perfect", "Divine Nature" I think you will find it enlightening as to what we can be capable of . also consider that GOD said to satan:" have you considered my servant JOB who is PERFECT...."

fINALY CONSIDER CAREFULY ROMANS CHAPTERS 6-8:1-17 AND gal. 5: 18

Ask your self this: If i am " dead" in Christ

does the LAW have any ability to convince me or accuse or condemn me of sin?

see romans chapter 7 specificaly. secondly since i am dead and the law has NO dominion ( jurisdiction ) over me , and i am walking in obediance to the leading of the holy Spirit in all that i can and am covered by Grace for that which i do not do<(ro. 8: 1-17) WHO is accusing you of sin? there is NO OT patriarch who did not fail in some way and fail to walk perfectly before God , YET God said Thier faith has saved them

a walk with God is by Faith and NOT by works . it is based in being obediant to the LIVING God in a personal relationship, not a system of do's OR DON'TS. Consider this also : 1) we are washed of ALL sin when we repent and asK God to forgive us . 2) we have been given the " faith of Christ" . 3) we have been given the "righteousness of Christ".

IT is clear that if we do " sin" there is NO law to condemn or pass sentence or to accuse us and even so the Lord will "convince " or convict us of sin but it is NOT a " sin unto "death" ( not " condemnation) unless we ignore this conviction ( 1 Peter 3:21 and Hebrews chapter 6) we walk under grace and NOT under the law which had no mercy but we were commanded : " DO it ALL and live!". We CAN walk "perfect" before God and we can overcome our flesh and walk in and KNOW his perfect will . That is the very testimony of the Word , over and over:" i write these words that you sin NOT ... paul said . But if you sin you have an advocate with the Father..."

Weak men and carnal have said that walking without sinning is impossible, based on ONE verse that is speaking to men in general BEFORE salvation. BUt God has said (Ezekiel 11: 19) I will put a new spirit in you and cause you to walk in my commandments...) jeremiah 31: 33 I will write my commandments on your heart and ...." This is GOD'S promise and the ONLY logical way God would end his salvation: that you walk in the "measure and stature of Christ" Did Christ sin? Ephesians 4: 11-16. I know that I am walking in Grace and sin has NO dominion over me . I may not yet be walking in perfection BUt i am running the race to attain it as Paul said, and NOONE can condemn me because the Father does NOT!

[Ovedya]

Lifesharer,

Just curious...Are you here to debate your understanding of regeneration, or are you discussing the doctrine of salvation as it applies to regeneration? I'm not sure where you're headed with this, or why you are debating this point.

You seem to be arguing the false theological view that after regeneration believers are completely sinless, just as the pre-fall Adam was sinless. It has a name, but it escapes me at the moment. This view is erroneous and is opposed to Biblical teaching. However, if this is not your thesis, then perhaps you would like to discuss the subject of regeneration at length. Regeneration is related to both the initial experience of salvation, which is the Triune God entering into the penitent sinner at the point of his confession, and it is an ongoing process through the washing of the water in the Word (Romans 5:10)

[lifesharer]

Finaly to John P,

You have made a basic exegesis error. You are looking at the latin or middle english. Such a error is basicaly flawed since the scriptures defined scriptures:

paligennesia (regeneration in the KJV) is defined in Strongs concordance as a spiritual rebirth; "either literaly or figurativly". I encourage you to look this up yourself if you doubt this defintion.

Its root words give the rest as i already stated, and as Ez . 11: 19 clearly states and John 3:6 and ro. 2: 28-29. If you do NOT look up the sites i give you how can you ask intelligent questions ? No offense intended.

As for defintion 2: I find it misses the mark of accurate defintion while having some merit: its like saying : the car is red, it may be accurate but not the defintion of what makes up a " car".

As for defintion 3 it is the same as number 2: both are missing the mark when you consider that its God's definition that's what is accurate. You would not use a dictionary of Mars languages to define Earth words would you? Jesus' defintion of regeneration is found in JOHN 3:6! God's defintion of regeneration is found in Ro. 2: 28-29 and col. 2: 10-?.

Regeneration (rebirth or born from above: john 3:6) is a LITERAL restoration of our spirit to its originaly intended and created state: fully functioning and able to have that intimate communion with God that God created it to do. Whether it a totaly new spirit of just the old one restored is irrelevant. Further; it includes ( (renewing Titus 3:5) the idea of setting it free from the overshadowing ( heb. 4: 12) or bondage to the carnal man ( all of the flesh, and that part of the soul thats not conformed to Christ ) ALL of this was addressed clearly in my previouse posts so i am a bit confused why you seem to have totaly NOT seen it or understood it?

Perhaps you should read the posts OVER a few times looking to see if the answers to your questions are already there, before reponding AND also >look up the sites i give.

As for your LAST question : it is "inferred" that the "wind Not seen" (john 3:8) is like the personal private leading of the holy Spirit (personal private relationship ) that every born again ( regenerated ) person will walk in. It is by this "leading" that we can know Gods perfect will and participate in the KINGDOM ( john 3:5 "enter")

I am sadden that some choose to ignore my request about the " further effects" of regeneration . It is important that you fully understand what regeneration IS before you attempt to grasp what it's effects will be.

Regeneration is a literal restoration of our " sin nature ": a DEAD (cut off from God) spirit by sin. It restores (Eph. 2:1) our ability to Know God in a personal living relationship, and to have "good conscience" (1Peter 3: 21) and to be able to be led by the Spirit and under grace and NOT the Law) it is the foundation of spiritual growth to spiritual maturity and to the ability to exercise spiritual gifts and other functions of our spirit by God's Spirit.

Please feel free to ask me for the bible study.

THE NEXT POST WILL BE ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF REGENERATION ON THE BELIEVER,....... I HOPE .

Sincerely , Lifesharer

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Lifesharer,

To address "dad Ernie" first:

I Find that the scripture refers to a future KINGDOM ( matt 19:28) not to a future regeneration in context. Regeneration is used in both scriptures as exactly the same word: "Paliggenesia"

And the future tense in Matt. refers soley to the KINGDOM. it is clear that regeneration is about us and is a spiritual rebirth ( JOHN 3:6)in context so your derivation of this verse is not logical. Jesus was saying that those who are regenerated ( followed him ) will be able to participate in the KINGDOM ( john 3:5) when iot is established and according to Jesus the KINGDOM is IN US NOW . IF we are regenerated and submitted to Gods perfect will and operating in His power and authority.(which is what the word KINGDOM means ) The kingdom is exsistant Now since Jesus finished the issue of legal claim satan made against us and has fullfilled the Law. IN Acts is speaks of the Kingdom coming with the Spirit of God, since at that time all the leagal flase claims satan made were thouroughly proven false, his legal claims over man and this world being found wanting.

First of all the "definition" for Kingdom of God is where the manifestation of God is, it is where His presence is, in a locale or in a person. Jesus frequently commented words to the effect that when He came among the people, the Kingdom of God has come unto them. To His disciples He told them the Kingdom of God is among you or in you.

Secondly, the "regeneration" at the coming of the Lord amounts to us "being changed to be like Him". We are being "regenerated" now, but as Paul says, we have not yet attained to the perfection that awaits us in Christ Jesus. THEN we shall be fully "regenerated".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[lifesharer]

Hello all. Well its so often i see that when someone comes into a discuss late they have not followed its subtler nuances. anyway If you do NOt look up the verse (preferably in the KJV) you will not follow the simple clear logic of this discussion.

TO GOD-MAN,

I PRESENTED A SIMPLE TEACHING ON WHAT SCRIPTURES REVEALS THAT REGENERATION IS : A LITERAL CHANGE OF OUR NATURE FROM A DEAD SPIRIT , CUT OFF FROM GOD BY SIN AS ADAM'S WAS AFTER THE FALL ( sorry about caps ) to a regenerated, rebirth, born from above, restored, fully functioning, spirit able to have intimate communion with God as Adam Had BEFORE he sinned . I did not wish to go into this issue of one of its effects at this time but was ignored by some who showed little respect for these wishes and so am forced to spent time on it .

Here is a partial list of terms that are speaking about this regeneration : new nature, new creation, born from above, newness of life, circumcision of the heart: new spirit, spiritual man, new man, divine nature ( as in the originaly created divinely created nature [we are not going to be divine]), of the measure and stature of Christ . remission of sin(S). All these are speaking of this same regeneration of our spirit to its originaly created state and functions, or it effects on us.

Our spirits functions are : communion, intuition and conscience. And they work like this: by intimate communion with God , our spirit intuitivly (without need of the souls intellect, but by revelation from Gods Spirit ) KNOWS what is good and evil ( conscience). Because God is HOLY and IS truth. see 1 Cor. 2: 9-16 for verification of this statement.

The Adamic " sin nature " is no longer our state or " nature" as our spirit is " regenerated " and able to have that intimate communion again. This means we have the answer of a " good conscience" ( (1peter 3: 21) able to Know the things of God ( 1 Cor. 2: 9-16) and to be led by the Spirit ( John 3: 8) and to walk in GRACE and NOT under the LAW's ability to condemn or convict us Of sins ( gal. 5: 18 and romans 8: 1-17) this regeneration is the foundation of spiritual growth since before it we were carnal men sold under the flesh and bound to do its lusts.

But, as according to Romans chapter 6:

When we are regenerated (at the time of water baptism as a fullfillment of the type and shadow of Israel passing through the red sea and being set free from bondage to Egypt [a type for sinful lusts] ) we are able then to walk with God in a living personal relationship, by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

And this replaces the Law system with: GRACE, where there is therefore NO MORE condemnation ( Ro.8 :1). i did NOT say we are "sinless" i said that " sin is NOT imputed (Ro. 5: 13) this LEGAL standing of being cleansed of all sin and having been given the righteousness of Christ frees us from the legal requirement to do the full LAWS , because "we are DEAD in christ" ( every jot and tittle see Gal. 5: 18 and ro. 8: 1-17) and instead replaced this system with a new covenant: one whereby we are spiritualy minded ( ro. 8: 1-17 and Gal. 5: 16-17). In this new system our dead spirit having been quickened and by the Power of God's Spirit , we can obey His leading and thereby please God . a Man who is regenerated is not yet instantly spiritualy mature ( see Ephesians 4: 12-15) nor has thier soul been sanctified yet by the washing of the water of the word , thier mind being renewed ( titus 3: 5), having put ON the " mind of Christ" . But they shall: if they persevere, attain that state of being a spiritualy mature man or woman in Christ according to Ephesians 4: 13. (READ THE SITES) The legal standing before God because of the Blood of Christ and the imputed righteousness of Christ and HIS " faith , means that GOD SEES US AS " perfect".

Our physical state is such that we can be obediant now (due to the intimate communion and Power from God by regeneration (Gal. 5: 16 tied to John 3:8) walk without error (sin)..... IF we are willing to be obediant to the Spirits guidance in all things. LOGICALY , this is a sinless state.

Practicaly; we may yet sin and probably will until we have fully been conformed to the measure and stature of Christ (spiritual maturity). Now NO man has walked perfectly NEVER sinning before God except Jesus. and all men ( save Christ) has sinned , myself included, but for all intents and purposes the righteousness of God is fullfilled In Christ and given to us by GRACE.

Regeneration is NOT salvation. these are two entiely different things .

Regeneration FOLLOWS salvation and GOD chose to do this at the time of water baptism as a fullfillment of HIS type and shadow. This is easily understood ( irreguardless of pre- biased doctrinal positions by simply looking at these scriptures in this order( please do this NOW ): ro. 2: 28-29 ( compare circumcision of the heart and new spirit with Col. 2: 11-14. Water baptism is NOT essential to have salvation , it is simply WHERE and WHEN God has chosen to regenerated our spirit ( circumcision made without hands) by HIS Spirit ( JOHN 3:6) NOTE: water Baptism is NOT essential to HAVE salvation: it is a "works".

There MUST be a distinction made between our LEGAL standing and our positional walk. While we stand : "cleansed of ALL sin" we will indeed sin again but not against the law, but the leading of the Holy Spirit (also called "grieving the Spirit" Eph. 4:30). a subtle distinction.

It would be simpler if you simply asked for the entire bible study and then wrote to me about what you do not agree with or do not understand. You are obviously relying on 1 John 1: 7, BUT if you read it all in context it is 1John 1:7- 2: 2. The entire statement is in agreement with me: Obviously John thought that it was posssible to "sin not" : that we can walk without sinning again IF we keep his commandments (Leading by the Spirit ( Gal. 5: 16 and 1 John 2: 3-5) amoung about a hundred other verses.

I often wonder why christian cleave so strongly to the idea that we who have a awsome God who made a way where NONE existed , would save us , only to leave us power less to overcome ? Overcome i say : our flesh our sinful lusts , our inquity ? Are you say that God who loved us would leave us in a hopless condition of always having to sin and always being in bondage to the flesh ? is that position actulay a position of NON faith and contrary to the clear scriptures in romans 6: 1-6? read those verse again

Then read Gal. 5: 16 and romans 8: 1-17 which is the summation of the problem of sin in ro. 7. clearly GOD HAS MADE A WAY for us to walk in a GODLY, righteous walk with HIM. Read NOW Ro. 6:7-11. what does it SAY plainly? GOD has changed our " nature" BACK to that of adams , which is NOT defined as " sinless" as you have" but as one with a fully functioning lively spirit able to Know God in an intimate communion , and since God is HOLY we KNOW what is sin (1Cor. 2: 9-16)( thats why Adam and Eve knew of thier nakedness )after that they had sinned they were aware of it and the lost "covering" of Gods shekinah Glory. one last warning: if you claim that all of romans 6-8:1-17is allegorical and NOT literal truth , read carefully col. 2:4-8 and so on. is it mere vain philosophy and idle banter when God said : you are NOT under sin and shall NOt serve sin any more?

is it not clear that what is stated in col 2: 10-17. YOU are either the very " BODY of CHRIST" or you are juts playing idle philosophical games and have not understood the basic of what " being born from above " IS ( John 3:6). The " divine nature being recreated in you (2 peter 1:4) wherein he again states what he ( GOD) has done for us and what the fruit of it shall be. a LITERAL regeneration , a LITERAL growing unto the measure and stature of Christ an LITERAL freedom from sin. READ the rest of 2 Peter and then read AGAINT all of Galatians which is our book on our liberty in Christ! But do it this time with faith in your heart not doubting.

Nor is regeneration the mere indwelling holy Spirit which we do recieve a measure of at salvation as a " seal" of our salvation < not to be confused with the deeper " baptism of the Spirit", But as the vessel ( you) is sanctified, the Holy Spirit is able to have a deeper communion and a more holy witness through you.

Finally, the ongoing "renewing" of titus 3: 5 is a soulical sanctification (also called spiritualy maturing) which is typified by Israels wilderness experience. Our soul is conformed to Christ our mind is renewed (Eph 4: 22-26) wherein it talks of having the " spirit of your mind renewed , and concludes that you " sin not " ,

Read all the sites i gave you as i gave them to you?......good . If you have NOT, you have NO authority to disagree with what I said !

Sincerely, Lifesharer

PS and PLEASE get the bible study i have prepared for your further enjoyment and edification

[lifesharer]

Now as to DAD ERNIE :

I agree with you: the KINGDOM of God is NOT a place but Gods manifested power 1Cor. 4: 20), authority and perfect will, (Ro. 14: 17-18) all of which were manifested in Jesus Christ, and it CAN be " in us" as Jesus plainly said . IF ( modified ) we are " Born again " John 3:5, for without regeneration you will remain a carnal (old man) soul who cannot be led by the Spirit ( john 3:8) or spiritualy discern the KINGDOM ( john 3:3) therefore incapable of " entering" ( participating in ) the KINGDOM ( john 3:5). Jesus said: ye will recieve power after that the holy Spirit has come upon you. "Acts 1: 8 .

As I plainly stated in the bible study i have prepared that the KINGDOM of GOD is wherever these three things are manifested. Now, regeneration as a literal rebirth of our spirit is instant and complete, but RENEWING (of our soul) is a ongoing process thats why the writer said: "...but by his mercy he has saved us, by the washing of regeneration, ( note the comma) AND the renewing ...." , both are done by the Holy Spirit as the Living Word, in God. NOW look at Hebrews 4: 12. the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit by the sword of Gods word (Jesus Christ / Holy Spirit). this dividing is because we were once soulical, carnal and God needs to make it clear what is in us, (to us), that which is merely soulical and what is spiritual. Watchman Nee states that the soul and flesh taking occassion by the condemnation of sin ( which seperated us from God ) overwhelmed our spirit and took control of us ( dead in tresspasses and sins). This is why scriptures calls a carnal man one who is fleshly and soulical (un-renewed).

We are in basic agreement but with some minor differences. i see regeneration proper as applying to what the greek word paliggenesia says it means: a LITERAL rebirth of our spirit ( see Ez. 11: 19, John 3:6, strongs concordance).

And "renewing" as applied to our souls sanctification: as an ONGOING process: to the full measure of spiritual maturity as that represented by Jesus ( ephesians 4: 13 and specificaly Ro. 12: 2). The putting On the mind of Christ is a unilateral process of our willingness to lay aside all our own thoughts and take up the mind of Christ by revelation and renewing of the holy Spirit.

So i would say that Jesus was right; the Kingdom had come with HIM, but it came to US (see the Lords prayer) and when we recieved the Holy Spirit (power and authority) and the ability to know Gods perfect will ( see 1 Cor. 2: 9-16) only possible because the spirit of man in us is restored to full communion with God again.

The full transformation, when corruptable puts on incorruption; is when we recieve our new bodies at the return of Jesus. (1Cor. 15: 42)

BUT God always starts with out spirit ( regeneration , then soul ( renewing ) and finaly our flesh shall be changed . regeneration is a specific word refering to ONE thing: our spirit) it has NO connotattiuon of soul or flesh in it. just as KINGDOM ( basilious) has no connotattion of salvation, or even heaven in it. ( see the strongs concordance)

Many times i have seen how we are distracted in our flesh and gloss over the subtle things like a mere comma in Gods word or the real usage of a word/ concept from its current cultural terminology. These are those things that the washing of the water of the word is suppose to overcome in us. BY revelation of Gods Spirit to ours . ( see 1Cor. 2: 9-16) when we have finally laid aside all our own opinions and preconcieved doctrines of men, Gods Spirit stands ready to renew our minds and conform them to the very " mind of Christ". may you be made to know what is the riches in Christ we have through Gods plan and gifts of salvation, regeneration, sanctifcation, and Indwelling Spirit. All being part of our final redemption from sin and satan.

Sincerely ,

Lifesharer

[Laura]

LIFESHARER,

When is your book coming out? Is this a practice run?

[johnP]

Hello lifesharer.

The kingdom is exsistant Now since Jesus finished the issue of legal claim satan made against us and has fullfilled the Law.

Satan had no legal claim whatsoever and I do not see this in the scriptures. He has no rights because the Kingdom of God is the whole of creation. God is King of Kings and has always been. His authority knows no bounds and He has always reigned supreme even over sin.

What is this legal claim of Satan's and where do I find it in scripture? I don't believe Satan had any idea that he had a legal standing before God. He is a rebel and is and will be treated as one.

Anyway what you are saying is as clear as mud to me.

Regeneration you say is not salvation. It is a reversal or (re)turn or (re)wind, and genesia meaning a former nature or state of an ancient "generation".

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again.' John 3:6-7.

That is regeneration. The moment of rebirth. The spirit is made alive. Circumcision, in Romans, of the heart is also regeneration as it is in Ezekiel.

...it refers to a literal rebirth (john 3: 3-8 (restoration or regeneration) of our human spirit by God.

You agree to that yet you say that this is not salvation.

Romans 8:1-17 is saying that there are two groups of people. Those controlled by the Holy Spirit and those controlled by the sinful nature.

those who are born again are able to be led by a personal private (inferred) communion of the Spirit. And is what Ro. 8: 1-17 is all about too.

I don't know why you say it is inferred but I agree with this. Those who are regenerated are led by the Spirit of God.

The " Adamic sin nature", or also called the "original sin nature" is that nature of a dead spirit cut off from God.

That is not all it was. His spirit died that is true but his body started dying too. Corruption overcame the whole of nature.

...which allows us to be led by the Spirit, to overcome the flesh...

But you say we have been returned to Adam's original state. Could you explain this differently as I don't understand and is contradictory to me.

...scriptures define scriptures...

That's what I believe.

Can I find your study online as I do not open e-mail attachments?

johnp

[lifesharer]

hello laura<

The Book is waiting on God's timing it may yet be a while, but ty for asking, Lifesharer, and Laura i wrtite wat it takes to answer the issues and questions raised, each time i have to deal with issues and questions it alowes me to perfect my books chapters .

The bible studies are available from me as i have no online site. just write to me at : lifesharer@yahoo.com and ask for the bible studies. Yahoo has checked it for virus before i sent it and i wrote it myself so i know there are no viruses anyway.

NOw as to John P. i find you have a hard time following plain statements and clear scriptural refences or even simple logical inferences. I am also sadden by the tone your post has been showing too. My heart goes out to you as i deal with people all the time who do not tkae suffiecent time to fully understand something before they reacte. I pray that you will take more time to read what i have written and allow the holy Spirit to help you.

Let me attend again to your comments one by one. The Jewish Rabbis and historical christian theology have shared a understanding that satan usurped the authority that God gave to Adam which he lost when he sinned, this OLD, well established theological judeo/ christian idea is just one way to understand the plan of God. It does NOT mean the satan's claim was valid ( legaly) it means that in Gods holiness as manifested in law satan MADE a claim to adams authority (justly or not) and Jesus PROVED that the claim was not valid and did so by walking perfectly in the law. This "trial" in heaven was witnessed by a cloud of angels and its mentioned briefly in scriptures. Its a complicated concept for a non legaly trained mind to see. i will not defend this to you therefore as it is not important.

After reviewing your many quotes i see no reason to address them all as most clearly answer your complaints. The kingdom is not "everywhere" as you claim, as the Lords prayer clearly reveals : thy kingdom come , they will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." the perfect will of God is NOT being done on earth everywhere and while God is sovereign he gave ius free wills ( which i know you do not believe in since your a calvanist) there are many many cats of evil men that are NOT Gods will. patently and obviously. But i am not here to argue about calvanist errant doctrines and misunderstandings .

Our sin nature is a dead spirit cut off from God and not to be confused with the effects of that; in physical death. which will be dealt with when we are givien our glorified immortal spiritual bodies at Jesus return.

I do not know how many times i can restate this simple thing to you JOHN

our spirit was cut off from God by sin, our soul and flesh assumed power and control and we became "carnal men" sold into sin. regeneration heals. restores and rebirths our spirit and begins a process ( renewing) of bring it to pre-eminence in us so we can be spiritualy minded beings not led by our carnal nature.

it is that simple

this fact amounts to being given a new nature

a divine nature . the original nature God created in Adam.

i encourage you to read ALL the posts i have made as i have stated this over and over and over in them and given scriptur sites that state them. I encourage you to get Watchman Nees book : the Spiritual man series" and learn a bit more about your place in Gods plan. sincerely Lifesharer

[johnP]

Watchman Nees book! No thanks lifesharer I don't read books.

NOw as to John P. i find you have a hard time following plain statements and clear scriptural refences or even simple logical inferences.

I've noticed that myself.

...allow the holy Spirit to help you.

Why the disrespect?

The Holy Spirit will do as He please with me I am at His disposal.

The Jewish Rabbis and historical christian theology have shared a understanding that satan usurped the authority that God gave to Adam which he lost when he sinned, this OLD, well established theological judeo/ christian idea is just one way to understand the plan of God.

When Adam sinned the authority that Adam had was usurped by Satan.

What authority did Adam have?

The kingdom is not "everywhere" as you claim, as the Lords prayer clearly reveals : thy kingdom come , they will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." the perfect will of God is NOT being done on earth everywhere and while God is sovereign he gave ius free wills ( which i know you do not believe in since your a calvanist) there are many many cats of evil men that are NOT Gods will. patently and obviously. But i am not here to argue about calvanist errant doctrines and misunderstandings .

I am.

Errant doctrines, 'the perfect will of God is NOT being done on earth everywhere', the Sovereignity of God is overturned! The King of King and the Lord of Lords is outside. Man rules!

PS 93:1 The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

Did that prayer make you think that God is not ruling? You should modify your understanding of, "Thy Kingdom come."

...this fact amounts to being given a new nature a divine nature the original nature God created in Adam...

Then why don't mine work properly, lack of knowledge?

Lack of knowledge should not affect a fact of nature. Why don't my nature work properly? Yours does?

But i am not here to argue about calvanist errant doctrines and misunderstandings .

No? But your'll have a shot in passing 'a'?

I encourage you to get Watchman Nees book : the Spiritual man series" and learn a bit more about your place in Gods plan. sincerely Lifesharer

And I would encourage you to get a bible and learn a bit more about your place in Gods plan. Sincerely johnp.