regeneration

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Mt 19:28

So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Tit 3:5

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Mt 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

Lu 14:14

And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just."

Lu 20:36

nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Joh 11:24

Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Joh 11:25

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

Philippians 3 11

if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.

1 Thessalonians 4:

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

1Co 15:52

in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Peter 1

7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls.

Mt 24:27

For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Lu 17:24

For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Romans chapter 7 clearly deals with the issue of the flesh as shiloh has tried to do poorly. we who are regenerated have a functioning SPIRIT, the flesh is crucified with Christ , this does NOT discount the NEW creation we become at regeneration. we are in Christ and the flesh is NOT withstanding Gods power.

Gal. 5: 16 states :" If you are led by the Spirit (through your regenerated spirit ) you will NOT fullfill the lusts of the flesh." that's GODS OPINION!

Ephesians 4: 11-16 states that we can come to unity of the faith and to the measure of a perfect man of the measure and stature of Christ. this is another way of saying "spiritual maturity". Jesus was tempted as we are < but without sin. We who are regenerated (spiritualy minded being led by the Spirit Ro. 8: 1-17 and Gal 5: 18 and ro. chapter 6) cannot be condemned ( accused or convicted) by the LAW of sinning (where there is NO law : sin is NOT imputed Ro. 5: 13) those who are led by the Spirit are NOT under the law Gal. 5: 18) those who are baptised in christ ( and regenerated there at) are DEAD and the law has NO dominion over us ro. chapter 6- 8: 1-17) because they can be led by the Spirit and are under grace and NOT the law. If sin is NOT imputed then there is no sin ( but remember ro. 6: 1) this liberty ( from the law) is NOT to be used as an excuse to continue sinning) rather by the Spirit we do mortify the deeds of the flesh ( ro. 8: 13) then sin is not imputed and the blood of Christ washed away ALL prior sin, our legal standing is as with the imputed righteousness of Christ and the law cannot convict us of sin even IF we do sin, but the holy Spirit in us pricks our conscience and we are able to repent ( 1Peter 3: 21) and be cleansed again. regeneration is NOT barrier to your choosing to disobey the leading of the holy Spirit,... it is not a barrier to sinning,... it is the power of God to be led by the Spirit (PHil. 3: 11-12) (spiritualy minded performing the perfect will of God) and to walk in newness of life having learned through experience to be listening to the Spirits leading in all things. It is the power of God to become spiritualy mature to the measure and stature of Christ !

Its sad when people like shiloh who did not read anything carefully or look up the scriptures i gave, and others, assault a person instead of allowing scriptures to speak clearly. It is typical of carnal men that they killed the messenger as they did the prophets of old. it is not unexpected here either as there are now MANY " christians" who are in reality just carnal not having any spiritualy discernment of the things of God.

Your comments have NO authority if you do not show it by scriptures. everything I said herein is clearly supported by scripture.

As i said : ro. 2: 28-29 and col. 2: 11-15 clearly show that regeneration: a literal rebirthing of our human spirit ( john 3:6 , ezekiel 11; 19 ro. 2:18-19 and col. 2: 11-14) ( also called circumcision of the heart ( "spirit": ro. 2: 29 " IN THE SPIRIT" ) is connected to the instant of water baptism as where GOD chose to regenerate us.

lifesharer

It clear that much "muddying" of the water has been done here. I suggest again that IF YOU ACTUALY think I am wrong, you get the bible study i offered and then write back to me personaly with your arguments and see if your realy got any truth in them.

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your comments and scriptures are nice but ignore the fundimental defintion of what scriptures ( GOD) defined regeneration AS

in greek it is paligenessia and means a spiritualy rebirth . This is the specific and precise defintion and much of what you posted has NO relevance to this specific LITERAL rebirth of our SPIRIT at water baptism ( ro. 2: 28-29 and col. 2: 11-14). by the HOLY SPIRIT ( John 3:6) you confusing a LOT of different ideas in your chosen scriptures. resurrection is NOT by defintion regeneration.

titus 3: 5 is the governing scripture on what regeneration refers too, the rest is NOT regeneration BY defintion. it is simple: look it up in strongs concordance it refers to a spiritual rebirth of our spirit ( john 3:6 and ezekiel 11: 19) ( NOT the transforming of the body at Christs return. it refers to one thing only :our spirits restoration , nothing ELSE, according to the precise defintion of the word itself.

"Renewing" in titus 3 5 is linked to the souls sanctification, a process that takes time and is based on a living personal relationship with GOD by the indwelling Holy Spirit and his washing of the word in us renewing our MINDS (ro. 12: 2, Eph. 4: 22-24) .

The body plays NO part in these two and does NOT affect the concept of regeneration as used in titus and matt.

SHILOH

your assumptions of what it means are NOT accurate scripturaly or even close to what i said. obviously you have poor reading skills since you ignore many clear comments i made that refute your accusations . I encourage you to refrain from such abusive comments as you seem to make and in assumimg you understand something with looking at all the relevant scriptures. NOTE ephesians 4: 22-24. for your edification the " sin nature" is a dead spirit cut off from God , NOT: " the flesh". NOR does being regenerated to a living spirit capable of being led by the spirit of God mean we are " flawless" since the flesh is still (the body of this death(ro. 7) with us to be crucified with Christ.

The point of regeneration is to restore the intimate communion we were originaly intended to have as ADAM HAD. this allows us to be led by the Spirit and to be free from the laws condemnation as i have pointed out over and over in this discourse. contrary to your poor assertions not based in scriptural logic , having a restored spirit is NOT a total block to sinning as ADAM SINNED while he still HAD your falsely called "flawless nature" didn't he? ! your logic is realy poor and your attempts to place your opinions over the plain text of Gods word is sad. why do you hate the idea that we can obey Gods spirit leading in all things? Why do you WANT to have a sin nature and an excuse to continue in sin? God has provided a legal excape from the law through being buried with Christ in baptism ( ro. chapter 6), a literal escape from sins stains by the washing of the Blood ( rev. 1:5) and a power through the indwelling Holy Spirit to walk perfectly in the leading of the holy Spirit ( ro. 8). what is your excuse then? why do you hate those who show you Gods plan? Amature response will not contain such adjectives and assaults on a person as your did.

you do not understand or define ANY of the terms i have used correctly

JOHN. P

you make several comments, i will simply ignore them. the last is though: why does my regenerated nature not work properly then? thats exactly what i stated in my first post> "because many christians do not understand this doctrine or WALK in it properly" if you have NO idea that a car can start will you start it? if you do not comprehend spirit , spirituality or regeneratyion properly can you do it? NO the point i majke is that JESUS though this is his MOST important teaching ( he emphasised it more than any other he gave) then we need to thinks the same ( have the mind of Christ)

I encourage you to read Watchman Nees foundational book called " the spiritual man". because it will help you understand and walk IN regeneration. watchman Nee is a TEACHER called of God ( ephesians 4: 11) and his studies are profound above almost any i see today. do not worry he is dead now so your not being forced or tricked to join a cult!

I am GROWING UP to the measure and stature of Christ. I have spiritualy discernment ( it realy a interesting and unsettling thing at first) i have other gifts and i have a victory over my flesh i NEVER SAW until God showed me this simple thing ( what regeneration IS and how it affects us ). NOW i can say i have stood still and seen the salvation of God . HE broke the fleshes ( ro. 6) bondage over me and has created in me a new heart ( spirit) and a new mind ( soul) . I am growing up more and more to spiritual maturity and may yet sin but not be condemned from God.

to all of you: read the verses with a little faith and prayer instead of just assumimg you understand them.

Lifesharer