Man's will God's Will

[Born2BFree]

Is there a teleological suspension of the ethical?

Soren Kierkegaard-

[johnP]

Hello Born2BFree.

Is there a teleological suspension of the ethical?

I can't understand the question please elucidate. I ask because I saw this question in the Predestination thread and was going to ask you there before it vanished.

johnp

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

God is the fount of all morality.

Yet as we see? We do have Free will as to whether or not we choose to believe this. If not? Then we are already disconnected and lost being disassociated from God. Judged and cut off. Still and all we will give Glory to His Holy name by either Obedience or Disobedience. It is not relative.

Ask Lot. His wife is a salty lass. :x:

Peace,

Dave

[Guest Called]

Ask Lot. His wife is a salty lass. :x:

[johnP]

Hello Dave.

Yet as we see?

Why the question mark?

Then we are already disconnected and lost being disassociated from God. Judged and cut off. Still and all we will give Glory to His Holy name by either Obedience or Disobedience.

Either way we will bring glory to God.

This disconnect, it's there from conception or when we refuse to believe?

johnp

[Born2BFree]

Hello Born2BFree.

Is there a teleological suspension of the ethical?

I can't understand the question please elucidate. I ask because I saw this question in the Predestination thread and was going to ask you there before it vanished.

johnp

This was a question posed by Soren Kierkegaard, a Danish philosopher of ethics...

The basic idea is the question of man's will as 'free' when God's will is soverign.

It appears to be a paradox.

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

Deut 30:

15"See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. 16If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God[1] that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. 17But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, 18I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. 19I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, 20loving the LORD your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them."

We have the free will to choose, just like God called Isreal to choose life.

[Repent1]

Greetings fellow sojourners,

I pray you the peace, joy and the continued Love of the God of our Salvation

This is my testimony to the issue of freewill........

The freewill which we are given by God is limited to two choices, by our choice we will decide to either serve God or we will decide to serve Satan. At this point we surrender our will unto the will of the one we chose.

If we with a willing mind and a willing heart, choose God to serve, then we willingly surrender our will to the will of God, and dedicate our lives to doing the things of God (and God by the Holy Spirit strengthens, teaches, and guides us).

If we decide not to serve God then the only choice left is to become a servant (slave) of Satan, then you will have surrendered your will to the will of Satan, and you are permitting him to have dominion (control) over your life.

God warned the children from the beginning when he said:

Deuteronomy 30: 19

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

Then God reaffirmed this warning in:

Romans 6: 12-16:

Let not sin therefore reign (rule) in your mortal (human) body, that ye should obey (serve) it in the lusts (desires) thereof.

Neither yield (surrender) ye your members as instruments (weapons) of unrighteousness unto sin (lust): but yield (surrender) yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead (born again), and your members as instruments (weapons) of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion (control) over you: for ye are not under the (Leviticus) law, but under grace (the Omnipotent power of God working on your behalf).

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield (surrender) yourselves servants (slaves) to obey (serve), his servants (slaves) ye are to whom ye obey (serve); whether of sin (lust) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Upon this testimony I rest my case, closing by reminding everyone that the Holy Spirit will bare witness to your spirit, and the Lord will read the truth of your heart. Of this you can be sure.

Walking with all in the spirit of peace and love,

Your brethren in Christ,

Repent1...... .

Edited October 23, 2004 by Repent1

[AnotherTraveler]

Is there a teleological suspension of the ethical?

Soren Kierkegaard-

Is this question asking about the ethics of using a remote control on the TV?

Sorry, probably means theological, right?

The basic idea is the question of man's will as 'free' when God's will is soverign.

It appears to be a paradox.

Not really. Within our limitations we are free to do what we want, but not without results.

I can jump off a building. My choice. I will go down. Gravity. Does God want me to break my legs? No If I ignore my brain that is trying to warn me not to jump, I will go down. Yes Is this God's will? No Does God always get His way? No

(1 Tim 2:3 KJV) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

(1 Tim 2:4 KJV) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

(2 Pet 3:9 KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

These verses clearly show that God is willing for all to be saved, not willing that any should perish, does He get His way, or do some perish?

(Mat 6:10 KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

We are to pray for His will to be done on earth, because it isn't being done.