luke22ministries Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Oprah bailed out of traditional Christian faith because she had a hard time with the fact that scripture talked about God being 'Jealous'. If God is in fact Jealous, isnt that sin? How could we be commanded to put aside the very thing that scripture says about God? Before every matrue Christian breaks fingers to hit 'reply' or 'rebuke'...I am simply saying that many non-believers and new believers hear someone like Oprah and say "Yeah...thats a good question!". Paul reminds us that when we were a child, we thought and acted as a child. When you were young and your mom and dad told you something, the first question you tend to ask is..."why". My answer? There is quite a difference between being jealous 'of' and being jealous 'for'. If you are married and your spouse develops and unhealthy friendship with someone of the opposite sex, does that trouble you? They swore a promise to put you above all other mortal human beings. In my article below, we examine the quesiton of how God can be jealous and sinless at the same time. Again, the link is free and safe and the conversation is honoring to the lord. http://www.examiner.com/christianity-in-west-palm-beach/dear-terrifed-one-fear-the-lord-and-jealousy-god-s-heart-for-you For those who struggle with this question, please post. For mature believers who have scripture and thoughts to add, please post what you think. My posts are always aimed to help new believers have a greater understanding of God's love, mercy, grace and desire for life. Edited May 9, 2011 by luke22ministries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2011 Oprah was bringing God down to her human understanding. God also commanded the death of whole cities, yet murder is a sin. What God does, He does righteously, even if we don't understand it. God cannot be compared to humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xequedox Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 65 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/28/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/24/1993 Share Posted May 9, 2011 [Matthew 15:21-28] 21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 I love Matthew 15:28 "Great is thy faith". Sometimes, when faced with questions you cannot answer, the only answer is to take it on faith. This was one of the points I was making in the article. Through the blood of his son and his love, he united us with him through faith [Matthew 15:21-28] 21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 True. I agree. That is one of the hardest things to explain to 'fence sitters'. Some of these questions vex them to the point of turning away from faith. I've found in biblical scripture that God's jealousy is righteous by the standard that he set. It is a jealousy for us..and born from love and not of us and born from envy. Do you agree? Oprah was bringing God down to her human understanding. God also commanded the death of whole cities, yet murder is a sin. What God does, He does righteously, even if we don't understand it. God cannot be compared to humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 9, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2011 Where does it tell us that it's a sin in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2011 True. I agree. That is one of the hardest things to explain to 'fence sitters'. Some of these questions vex them to the point of turning away from faith. I've found in biblical scripture that God's jealousy is righteous by the standard that he set. It is a jealousy for us..and born from love and not of us and born from envy. Do you agree? Oprah was bringing God down to her human understanding. God also commanded the death of whole cities, yet murder is a sin. What God does, He does righteously, even if we don't understand it. God cannot be compared to humanity. Worldly jealousy is born from more then just envy, but the premise I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted May 10, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 Good question. Keep in mind, I don't argue that God is NOT sinless. Galatians 5:19-21 says this "Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God". This is one of the 32 references to jealousy and sin in the bible. There is no doubt, I think, that jealousy leads to envy. However, Jealous of and jealous for I think are very different. Again, every reference that I can find to jealousy and sin in the bible talks about the heart BEHIND the jealousy more than the act. Thank you for the awesome question! Where does it tell us that it's a sin in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2011 Good question. Keep in mind, I don't argue that God is NOT sinless. Can you explain what I place in bold. To me, it sounds like you are saying that God may of sinned. Am I reading that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke22ministries Posted May 10, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/06/1974 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) I am sorry. Great catch. No. That was quite a typo. I was saying that God is sinless...and God is NOT sinning through jealousy. I should edit my reponse. My fingers moved faster than my brain! Good question. Keep in mind, I don't argue that God is NOT sinless. Can you explain what I place in bold. To me, it sounds like you are saying that God may of sinned. Am I reading that right? Edited May 10, 2011 by luke22ministries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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