Why the Same-Sex Marriage Experiment Will Not Work

[UndecidedFrog]

Underaged marriage is not an appropriate analogy for homosexual marriage.

And why not? I explained why I used hyperbole to make my point. It's a moral issue, and you yourself take a moral stand against under aged marriage which impinges on the 'freedoms' of others.

I take a moral stand against homosexual marriage which impinges on the 'freedoms' of others.

When I do it, you claim 'idealism is ruined by hypocrisy', but when you do it, it's all sweet?

That's so... err what's the word... hypocritical?

And how does homosexual marriage impinge on your freedoms?

[UndecidedFrog]

It doesn't matter what homosexuals said, did, etc. They were fully entitle to the exact same rights to marry as everyone else, under the legal definition of marriage that spanned every civilization since as far back as written history goes.

OES,

Sorry to disagree, but in the US, couples who are not married (and recognized by the state as such) are not entitled to certain rights which include (but are not limited to):

1) Health care insurance coverage from the employer that normally covers the spouse

2) Inheritence rights that favor the spouse

3) Adoption rights

4) Joint income tax filing status availability for those married couples who find themselves in favorable tax brackets.

Homosexual couples who are prohibited from marrying do not have access to the above rights that are available to heterosexual couples.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[~candice~]

Underaged marriage is not an appropriate analogy for homosexual marriage.

And why not? I explained why I used hyperbole to make my point. It's a moral issue, and you yourself take a moral stand against under aged marriage which impinges on the 'freedoms' of others.

I take a moral stand against homosexual marriage which impinges on the 'freedoms' of others.

When I do it, you claim 'idealism is ruined by hypocrisy', but when you do it, it's all sweet?

That's so... err what's the word... hypocritical?

And how does homosexual marriage impinge on your freedoms?

Huh?

It doesn't impinge on my freedom, I am impinging on others freedoms by denying them, by my vote, the ability to enter a same sex marriage.

[UndecidedFrog]

Since you feel that the rights of "many"will be harmed if denying the same rights to "few" are you also in support of pedophilia?

No, I do not consider having sex with underaged children as a right. Perhaps you do, but I do not.

That is why I am not talking about sex with underaged children. I am talking about consenting adults.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[~candice~]

No one said pedophilia was a right.

The fact is that you are willing to impinge on someone else because of a moral code you have. Which is exactly what we are doing... impinging upon others (in this case their ability to marry or enter civil unions) based on our moral code.

But you can't criticise us for impinging on others based on moral code if you yourself are doing so, UF.

[UndecidedFrog]

No one said pedophilia was a right.

Candice,

I beg to differ.

Cobalt1959 said:

Since you feel that the rights of "many"will be harmed if denying the same rights to "few" are you also in support of pedophilia?

He is directly implying that pedophilia is a right of the few in his question to me. Or do you disagree with this interpretation of his question?

I would like to know how you see this objectively.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[UndecidedFrog]

As UF already pointed out, in the not too far past, it was considered immoral by many people to allow mixed race marriages. Now we consider that stance immoral, and it is entirely possible that, in a couple of generations, our current stance against homosexuality will be also frowned upon.

viole,

That is my hope.

That in a few generations, the current prohibition of homosexual marriages will be repealed.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[UndecidedFrog]

I never said, nor implied that I did.

But you had no problems implying that I did when you asked me:

Since you feel that the rights of "many"will be harmed if denying the same rights to "few" are you also in support of pedophilia?

A wise man once said, "Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you."

Consenting adults has nothing to do with it unless you subscribe to a Judeo-Christian value system.

Are you honestly attempting to claim that only judeo-christian value systems view consenting adults as a necessary requirement for marriage? You amuse me thoroughly.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[Guest]

Sweet

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Genesis 2:21-25

Joy

Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.

Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets.

Let them be only thine own, and not strangers' with thee.

Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. Proverbs 5:15-19

Sweet LORD

Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD. Proverbs 18:22

Thank You Jesus

Your Daughter Is My Joy

And The Mother Of My Children

My Helpmate In The Times Of My Troubles

[~candice~]

No one said pedophilia was a right.

Candice,

I beg to differ.

Cobalt1959 said:

Since you feel that the rights of "many"will be harmed if denying the same rights to "few" are you also in support of pedophilia?

He is directly implying that pedophilia is a right of the few in his question to me. Or do you disagree with this interpretation of his question?

I would like to know how you see this objectively.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

No, I don't think he thinks it is a right. I think he is using hyperbole to make a point. For that matter, I don't think gay marriage is a 'right' either. Gay marriage and the horrific act of pedophilia are options people have that minority groups want to deny the legislation of. Neither is a right. But I really don't feel like playing semantics.