Deep calls to deep?

[nebula]

Ps. 42

1 As the deer pants for the water brooks, So my soul pants for You, O God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God ; When shall I come and appear before God ? 3 My tears have been my food day and night, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 4 These things I remember and I pour out my soul within me. For I used to go along with the throng and lead them in procession to the house of God, With the voice of joy and thanksgiving, a multitude keeping festival. 5 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall again praise Him For the help of His presence. 6 O my God, my soul is in despair within me; Therefore I remember You from the land of the Jordan And the peaks of Hermon, from Mount Mizar. 7 Deep calls to deep at the sound of Your waterfalls ; All Your breakers and Your waves have rolled over me. 8 The LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime ; And His song will be with me in the night, A prayer to the God of my life. 9 I will say to God my rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy ?" 10 As a shattering of my bones, my adversaries revile me, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 11 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God.

The phrase "deep calls to deep" has always puzzled me.

What do you suppose it means?

[~candice~]

Neb, check out apologetics index on watchman nee before you read him not all about him is biblical.

[~candice~]

Neb, check out apologetics index on watchman nee before you read him not all about him is biblical.

Sis, I would ask if you have read any of Nee's writings? If not, let me recommend two books, "The Normal Christian Life" and "Sit, Walk, Stand". I guess you could then see for yourself.

I've read the first one, the Normal Christian Life, but I gave up reading his writings when I read about how his doctrine changed later in his ministry. I'm not saying his writing is valueless, but it certainly will require discernment to pick out the good stuff and leave the rest. IMO anyway. Did you like his stuff? Did you see the mysticism coming out?

GBU

[Guest shiloh357]

Ps. 42

1 As the deer pants for the water brooks, So my soul pants for You, O God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God ; When shall I come and appear before God ? 3 My tears have been my food day and night, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 4 These things I remember and I pour out my soul within me. For I used to go along with the throng and lead them in procession to the house of God, With the voice of joy and thanksgiving, a multitude keeping festival. 5 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall again praise Him For the help of His presence. 6 O my God, my soul is in despair within me; Therefore I remember You from the land of the Jordan And the peaks of Hermon, from Mount Mizar. 7 Deep calls to deep at the sound of Your waterfalls ; All Your breakers and Your waves have rolled over me. 8 The LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime ; And His song will be with me in the night, A prayer to the God of my life. 9 I will say to God my rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy ?" 10 As a shattering of my bones, my adversaries revile me, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 11 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God.

The phrase "deep calls to deep" has always puzzled me.

What do you suppose it means?

What David is expressing is the feeling that everything in all of creation has joined against him. The idea of deep calling to deep is that of one problem given rise to another. For example. Say a man goes to the doctor and finds he has an illness that needs expensive treatment, and will require him to take off of work from his job at the plant, which increases mental anxiety, fear, financial hardship, meaning he might have to sell his home becaue the insurance company does not cover this type of illness, but now his employer has to lay him off due to the nature of a production environment, and it just seems that one problem "calls" to another. One set of problems creates new problems which creates more new problems and nothing seems to be working in his favor. It is just overwhelming and the only place he can turn to is the Lord.

[nebula]

Ps. 42

1 As the deer pants for the water brooks, So my soul pants for You, O God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God ; When shall I come and appear before God ? 3 My tears have been my food day and night, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 4 These things I remember and I pour out my soul within me. For I used to go along with the throng and lead them in procession to the house of God, With the voice of joy and thanksgiving, a multitude keeping festival. 5 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall again praise Him For the help of His presence. 6 O my God, my soul is in despair within me; Therefore I remember You from the land of the Jordan And the peaks of Hermon, from Mount Mizar. 7 Deep calls to deep at the sound of Your waterfalls ; All Your breakers and Your waves have rolled over me. 8 The LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime ; And His song will be with me in the night, A prayer to the God of my life. 9 I will say to God my rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy ?" 10 As a shattering of my bones, my adversaries revile me, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 11 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God.

The phrase "deep calls to deep" has always puzzled me.

What do you suppose it means?

What David is expressing is the feeling that everything in all of creation has joined against him. The idea of deep calling to deep is that of one problem given rise to another. For example. Say a man goes to the doctor and finds he has an illness that needs expensive treatment, and will require him to take off of work from his job at the plant, which increases mental anxiety, fear, financial hardship, meaning he might have to sell his home becaue the insurance company does not cover this type of illness, but now his employer has to lay him off due to the nature of a production environment, and it just seems that one problem "calls" to another. One set of problems creates new problems which creates more new problems and nothing seems to be working in his favor. It is just overwhelming and the only place he can turn to is the Lord.

I see what you are saying, but I am not understanding how it relates to the waterfalls.

[Guest shiloh357]

Ps. 42

1 As the deer pants for the water brooks, So my soul pants for You, O God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God ; When shall I come and appear before God ? 3 My tears have been my food day and night, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 4 These things I remember and I pour out my soul within me. For I used to go along with the throng and lead them in procession to the house of God, With the voice of joy and thanksgiving, a multitude keeping festival. 5 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall again praise Him For the help of His presence. 6 O my God, my soul is in despair within me; Therefore I remember You from the land of the Jordan And the peaks of Hermon, from Mount Mizar. 7 Deep calls to deep at the sound of Your waterfalls ; All Your breakers and Your waves have rolled over me. 8 The LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime ; And His song will be with me in the night, A prayer to the God of my life. 9 I will say to God my rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy ?" 10 As a shattering of my bones, my adversaries revile me, While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God ?" 11 Why are you in despair, O my soul ? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God.

The phrase "deep calls to deep" has always puzzled me.

What do you suppose it means?

What David is expressing is the feeling that everything in all of creation has joined against him. The idea of deep calling to deep is that of one problem given rise to another. For example. Say a man goes to the doctor and finds he has an illness that needs expensive treatment, and will require him to take off of work from his job at the plant, which increases mental anxiety, fear, financial hardship, meaning he might have to sell his home becaue the insurance company does not cover this type of illness, but now his employer has to lay him off due to the nature of a production environment, and it just seems that one problem "calls" to another. One set of problems creates new problems which creates more new problems and nothing seems to be working in his favor. It is just overwhelming and the only place he can turn to is the Lord.

I see what you are saying, but I am not understanding how it relates to the waterfalls.

Well, its all one metaphor. The waterfall indicates the overwhelming circumstances. Imagine the weight of a waterfall coming down on you while you are struggoing to keep your head above water. It is bad enough that you are trying to keep from drowning without having unending heaviy torrents of water coming down upon you. At least, that is what it appears like to me.

[nebula]

Well, its all one metaphor. The waterfall indicates the overwhelming circumstances.

But it says, "Your waterfalls." So is it the Lord sending the overwhelming circumstances?

[~candice~]

Neb, check out apologetics index on watchman nee before you read him not all about him is biblical.

Sis, I would ask if you have read any of Nee's writings? If not, let me recommend two books, "The Normal Christian Life" and "Sit, Walk, Stand". I guess you could then see for yourself.

I've read the first one, the Normal Christian Life, but I gave up reading his writings when I read about how his doctrine changed later in his ministry. I'm not saying his writing is valueless, but it certainly will require discernment to pick out the good stuff and leave the rest. IMO anyway. Did you like his stuff? Did you see the mysticism coming out?

GBU

Let me ask, how did you enjoy the Normal Christian Life. I believe all books that are written require discernment, as far as mysticism goes, I can't say. What I do see is Him pointing to Christ. While I do understand what apologetic index attempts to do, I wonder if Paul, or Peter, or John, would be in that index.

Yes, I enjoyed the book, and what I gleaned was worth the cherry picking. All I wanted to do was let Neb know to be especially on alert given what I'd read. (I'm sure she would have been anyway but it doesn't hurt to look out for one another ).

I know what you mean about apologetics index. I have a feeling that if Paul or Moses were alive today, they would also be featured. (I also suspect no one would want them as their pastor and would find a way to criticise them, but such is Western world christianity!).

God bless bro

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, its all one metaphor. The waterfall indicates the overwhelming circumstances.

But it says, "Your waterfalls." So is it the Lord sending the overwhelming circumstances?

Not that God is sending them, but simply an acknowlegement that they are His along with the waves and billows.

It was just an expression of frustration and a cry of desparation from David because of the overwhelming weight of the problems he was facing.

[jodetoad]

The breakers and waves are part of it... I guess we are supposed to get different things out of scripture.

To me it seems that the deep (God) calls to deep (David's deep inner core of faith and love of God) at the sound of Your waterfalls (the sense of God moving in present circumstances). The breakers and waves are David's past experience of God in events, of God's faithfulness and help. So despite the problems David has, and even the feeling that he is separated from God at this moment, David holds onto his faith, and will continue to call upon God.

That's what it says to me... David is underwater, but he is like the bobber on the fishing line, he knows he will come back up.