Jesus did not die to make men savable

[~candice~]

I have Spurgeon quotes on my FB, and here is today's:

He did not die to make men savable, but to save them.

What say ye?

I will withhold my opinion for the moment.

[Guest shiloh357]

A little more context would be helpful. It is not fair for us to weigh a single sentence.

[~candice~]

A little more context would be helpful. It is not fair for us to weigh a single sentence.

I'm sorry, they didn't give any context. That's all I've got.

[nebula]

He did not die to make men savable, but to save them.

I am not understanding what is meant by "savable." When I see savable, I think of having the ability to be saved.

Or maybe I'm just being dictionary clueless again?

[~candice~]

He did not die to make men savable, but to save them.

I am not understanding what is meant by "savable." When I see savable, I think of having the ability to be saved.

Or maybe I'm just being dictionary clueless again?

that's how I read it neb

[goldust59]

He did not die to make men savable, but to save them.

I am not understanding what is meant by "savable." When I see savable, I think of having the ability to be saved.

Or maybe I'm just being dictionary clueless again?

me too

[nebula]

OK, I found the quote:

"I believe this to be one of the edges of the conquering weapon. We are to preach that the Son of God has come in the flesh and died for human sin, and that in dying he did not only make it possible for God to forgive, but he secured forgiveness for all who are in him. He did not die to make men savable, but to save them. He came not that sin might be put aside at some future time, but to put it away there and then by the sacrifice of himself; for by his death he "finished transgressions, made an end of sin, and brought in everlasting righteousness." Believers may know that when Jesus died they were delivered from the claims of law, and when he rose again their justification was secured. The blood of the Lamb is a real price, which did effectually ransom. The blood of the Lamb is a real cleansing, which did really purge away sin. This we believe and declare; and by this sign we conquer. Christ crucified, Christ the sacrifice for sin, Christ the effectual Redeemer of men, we will proclaim everywhere, and thus put to rout the powers of darkness."

from:

The Blood of the Lamb the Conquering Weapon

by Charles H. Spurgeon (1834-1892).

Full sermon here

[nebula]

He did not die to make men savable, but to save them.

I am not understanding what is meant by "savable." When I see savable, I think of having the ability to be saved.

Or maybe I'm just being dictionary clueless again?

that's how I read it neb

I guess I'm not understanding the point of view he is debating against.

[~candice~]

OK, I found the quote:

"I believe this to be one of the edges of the conquering weapon. We are to preach that the Son of God has come in the flesh and died for human sin, and that in dying he did not only make it possible for God to forgive, but he secured forgiveness for all who are in him. He did not die to make men savable, but to save them. He came not that sin might be put aside at some future time, but to put it away there and then by the sacrifice of himself; for by his death he "finished transgressions, made an end of sin, and brought in everlasting righteousness." Believers may know that when Jesus died they were delivered from the claims of law, and when he rose again their justification was secured. The blood of the Lamb is a real price, which did effectually ransom. The blood of the Lamb is a real cleansing, which did really purge away sin. This we believe and declare; and by this sign we conquer. Christ crucified, Christ the sacrifice for sin, Christ the effectual Redeemer of men, we will proclaim everywhere, and thus put to rout the powers of darkness."

from:

The Blood of the Lamb the Conquering Weapon

by Charles H. Spurgeon (1834-1892).

Full sermon here

Thanks Neb .

[methinkshe]

I agree with those who question what is meant by "saveable".

I wonder whether, if we had the quote in context, we might see that Spurgeon meant whether one is attractive or loveable enough to be saved.

Funnily enough, I was talking to one of my daughters recently and we were discussing whether we loved our children enough to lay down our lives for them.

My daughter instantly said that of course she would. But, as I pointed out, her son is just three years old. He is totally adorable. Would she be so sure that she would lay down her life for her son if he were, say, a 25 yr old drug addict, in and out of prison, who stole from her, beat her up, and showed her no love or respect, just constantly abused her in every way possible, even to the point of murder.

I think that what Spurgeon is getting at is that WE are like the druggy son - not conducive to being saved because of our loveable/saveable characters.

I cannot place the Spurgeion quote but I think it probably has to do with verses such as:

While we were yet sinnners, Christ died for us

and:

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Edit:

N.B. This reponse was written before reading where the quote came from and its context.