John 1:18

[Catsmeow]

Hon,

Let's make this real simple. God is Spirit. Spirit is not seen with HUMAN eyes. Spirit is invisiable. We have spirits but we can't see them.

We're not allowed to see into the spirit realm either.

Jesus, on the other hand, was a man. He was also unique because though he was man, he was FILLED with the Spirit of His Father, *(who's invisible).

As far as other's seeing God, they saw "manifestations" of God, (His glory...or shining, glorious light; a burning bush, et al).

To see the actual "face" of God...hmmmm....God is Spirit. Could be God the Father has a real body but it's SPIRIT that is God, not the packaging the Spirit comes in.

Angels have also manifested God's Spirit, coming as His Ambassadors bringing messages and warnings to the inhabitants to the earth.

We can't see with our eyes a spirit *(ours or God, the Father) but the spirit is very real.

We can't see "germs" but under a microscope, most can be seen.

So, likewise...someday we will have eyes to see into the spirit realm. For now, no.

[Botz]

Look again at the wording,seen God at ANYTIME.ANYTIME tells me if Jesus is God then when he was on Earth he was God and ANYTIME would come into play.Man would never see God on earth at ANYTIME.Jesus would not be God because thousands seen him.....think about it.Jesus himself said God is a spirit <John4:23>and those worshiping God must worship God in spirit and truth.

Jesus also said a spirit has no flesh and bones Luke 24:39.Jesus said God is a Spirit not a human but a spirit and if man put his own theory and goes by his theory thats adding to the "scrolls"

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Well the full import of the word 'seen'...can properly be used in the sense of discern...and to that extent we would understand that no person has ever discerned G-d...or 'sussed Him out'.

When the Son talks of G-d the Father as being Spirit what I understand is that any pre-messianic manifestations of the presence and person of G-d have been the Son of G-d and not the Father...and the inkling we get is that Jesus the Son of G-d who is Himself fully G-d and One with the Father...will one day present us spotless and blameless before the Father who no man seen.

So both explanations have served me well enough over the years...but one thing I know 100% is that Jesus is fully G-d...and to try and prove He isn't or that the Bible has made some slip ups and contradicted itself is a totally futile exercise...as I have mentioned before there are a number of sites on the web that have hundreds of questions of a similar ilk to yours...but they wrestle with Scripture in such a way that they will shipwreck themselves on the rocks of disbelief...and trying to prove themselves wise they will be seen as very foolish.

"....for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. "

[Guest shadow2b]

-Jesus also said a spirit has no flesh and bones Luke 24:39.Jesus said God is a Spirit not a human but a spirit and if man put his own theory and goes by his theory thats adding to the "scrolls"

-uhhhhhhhh?? SAY there SIR-*IF* you do Not Believe GOD'S WORD is True & you are Not a Christian *WHAT* ARE YOU DOING ON A *CHRISTIAN*MESSAGE BOARD??hmmmmm??- :x: I'M just honestly "Curious" as to &WHY& a *NON-Christian* would Waste Their time hanging around a bunch of Christians??

-TO WHAT end do you wish to ask all these silly questions??DO you want Answers?? OR do you already have all the answers you really need OR want anyhow?? :x:

[Botz]

Yeah what my brother Shadow2b said as well.

[His son]

The best anology I have ever heard of this concept is a story told by a preacher. He put it this way. A man was studying ant colonies, and was realy into their work, and behaviour. They of course had wars, and many other problems they had to face in the way of obstacles to their projected object of providing for the welfare of the colony at all times. Storing food, warrior training etc. Due to the fact that his colonies were in a confined area he was able to observe all of their activities at the same time. Of course he was taking notes, which he seperated into two groups. No 1 group was the beneficial to their lives, and the 2nd group was determental to their peacful accomplishments of maintaining their lives. He observed that these ant colonies would be able to accomplish all with total peace if they would simply change certain areas of their reactions to each other, and share the resources that were available, of which there was enough for all. His final decision was that the only way that he could help them to accomplish this would be to become, an ant go and live with them, and show them the better way, and make it possible for them to choose to follow the old ways, or follow him in the new way.

This is a simple analogy that can't possibly take into account all the issues of this life that we have to deal with, but I think it is a good thought provoking idea that merits our thinking about.