Cursed?

[Waiting2BwithHim]

In Genesis 3 13-19 It says

13 And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“ Because you have done this,

You are cursed more than all cattle,

And more than every beast of the field;

On your belly you shall go,

And you shall eat dust

All the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity

Between you and the woman,

And between your seed and her Seed;

He shall bruise your head,

And you shall bruise His heel.”

16 To the woman He said:

“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;

In pain you shall bring forth children;

Your desire shall be for your husband,

And he shall rule over you.”

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;

In toil you shall eat of it

All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,

And you shall eat the herb of the field.

19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread

Till you return to the ground,

For out of it you were taken;

For dust you are,

And to dust you shall return.”

It tells how from this point that we have to pay for the sin that was caused by Eve and Adam.

I guess basically what I want to ask is why really should anyone after them be paying for their sins?

Or am I thinking that maybe this is how sin started and that we are paying for our parents sins?

Does anyone get this drift?

I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

And to top it all off in this thinking ws that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

[Guest]

Don't Blame Grandfather

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

Or God

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:13-15

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I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

And to top it all off in this thinking was that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

Jesus Willingly Was

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

And We Will

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:38

Too

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:10-12

See?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest shiloh357]

It tells how from this point that we have to pay for the sin that was caused by Eve and Adam.

No, it doesn't.

I guess basically what I want to ask is why really should anyone after them be paying for their sins?

No one is paying for Adam' sin.

Or am I thinking that maybe this is how sin started and that we are paying for our parents sins?

Does anyone get this drift?

Jesus paid for Adam's sin. Jesus is the "last Adam" according to Scripture. We cannot pay for their sins. That is not biblical. Jesus paid for the sin of Adam and for all of humanity. We inherited Adam's sin nature, but we do not pay Adam's sin.

I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

God does not engage in that kind of collective punishment for sin.

And to top it all off in this thinking ws that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

You are not going over the top. You just need to read your Bible more carefully, that all.

[Guest Butero]

It tells how from this point that we have to pay for the sin that was caused by Eve and Adam.

No, it doesn't.

I guess basically what I want to ask is why really should anyone after them be paying for their sins?

No one is paying for Adam' sin.

Or am I thinking that maybe this is how sin started and that we are paying for our parents sins?

Does anyone get this drift?

Jesus paid for Adam's sin. Jesus is the "last Adam" according to Scripture. We cannot pay for their sins. That is not biblical. Jesus paid for the sin of Adam and for all of humanity. We inherited Adam's sin nature, but we do not pay Adam's sin.

I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

God does not engage in that kind of collective punishment for sin.

And to top it all off in this thinking ws that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

You are not going over the top. You just need to read your Bible more carefully, that all.

I was reading the original OP and your response. It appears to me that the person who wrote the original comments was coming from the standpoint of paying for Adam's sins in the sense of the consequences that came upon all mankind after his disobedience? In other words, we are "paying for their sins" in that sickness and physical death has come upon all mankind, men have to earn their living by the sweat of their brow, and women have pain in child bearing. Since we didn't partake of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why should we pay for the sin of Adam in these consequences?

I have pondered this question as well, but then I ask myself, would I have done any better in the same position? Have I lived a sinless life? The answer to the second question is no, so chances are, I would have failed in the garden as well? Of course, there is no way of knowing that for sure, but it is likely the case. We sit back and look at Adam and think about how easy we think he had it. We have all kinds of things God told us was sinful and wrong to avoid doing, and he was given one commandment. It seems unfair, but again, I am not so sure we would have done better?

I kind of look at what has occured as the consequences of Adam's transgression on the world. It is like Pandora's box being opened. Up until he ate of that fruit, the knowledge of evil wasn't in mankind. Once he partook of the fruit, the knowledge was there, and we became accountable for it. Where there is no sin, there is no trangression. With the knowledge comes responsibility. It is not so much that God is punishing mankind for the sins of Adam, as we are reaping the consequences that naturally occured because of Adam's transgression. Let me give you an example.

Let's suppose that I decide to drink and then drive? I am the person commiting a transgression, yet as a result of my sin, an innocent person dies in an auto accident? There are all kinds of consequences. Not only is that innocent person paying for my sin, but that death effects all of their friends and family as well. It changes the course of history forever in children that may not be born, or people that may go in a differen't direction because they didn't come into contact with the victim of the crash. Even the family of the drunk driver is forever altered. You set in motion a chain reaction of events. It is like Jimmy Stewart's character in "Its A Wonderful Life" effected everyone around him. Adam's sin had a massive chain reaction on all mankind. It is not that God is punishing you and I for Adam's sin, but we are dealing with the consequences set in motion by his choice to partake of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

[Guest shiloh357]

Ah, okay, I see what you mean. Good insights, btw.

[GlidingWings]

Well it sort of works like this. Let’s suppose that you had recorded a music CD. The music CD is considered well made so you make copies of them to see and to hear. All is fine at this point.

Along the way someone got a hold of the original CD and changed some things on there that made the song sound with a lot of wishy washy performance. This man takes this cd now and sells this version of the original that is now tainted.

Everyone now is getting a tainted version of the original that someone took and changed the CD.

Adam is the original design that God made… Genesis 1 verse twenty six says let us make man in our image and in our likeness. Let him have dominion over all fish cattle and every living thing on the earth. God also created woman out of Adam.

God told them they may eat of anything of any tree or any herb but to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil lest they would die.

The Serpent deceived Eve to eat of this tree and she gave some to Adam who also ate of this tree. When they ate of this tree sin was born. Their eyes became open to sin. This is why they sewed up fig leaves to hide their bare temples. Adam and Eve are both cursed by doing this. Once they could live forever but now they would die some day physically going back to the dust.

Adam and Even bore Cain and Abel copies of their own Genetic make up. In God’s original make of Adam and Eve. Cain and Abel would have lived for ever also. But because Adam and Eve glitched the original copy things would never be the same.

Every generation would have the copy of Sin in their Genetic make up.

But even in the days of Cain God could forgive sin. God said to Cain” why are you angry and why has your countenance fallen? If you do what is well will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is well then Sin is right at the door and its desires to have you, but you should rule over it.

Cain could have been a righteous man if He had listened to what God told him about this Glitch sin started by Adam and Eve. But Cain chose rather to kill his brother and then He left the presence of the Lord to dwell in the land of Nod that is east of Eden. When anyone leaves God for life they have nodded off. They have entered their own land of Nod. Abel died as a righteous man who gave his heart to the Lord. Abel gave to God to compensate for His sin that offering of the firstborn of the flock and of the fat. Among Adam and Eve Cain and Abel that Abel was the only righteous of these 4.

However the offering Abel gave would not change History. Sin would continue. Throughout ages mankind used sacrificed animals for their forgiveness of sins among with repenting from them.

Jesus comes along with an original CD that has not blemished. Jesus has all the copy rights all the protection rights all the seals of protection that this CD will and can not be changed in any way No one can copy the CD Jesus has made. It is so unique not one being could come close to making such an original CD.

The Lord says look from Adam you have the tainted copy of Sin. What I hold here is a record of No sin whatsoever. To get rid of your taint you must remove Adams cd and ask me that I put your name on my CD. Jesus says I will remove all your sins. Everything that you have done or said will be erased on my original CD.

And one may say Lord how could you make such a perfected CD without No sin? And Jesus says because Son I am the Lord and through God all things are possible.

The Bible says one man: Adam sin brought sin to all of us but that one man Jesus who died on the cross took our sins away from us. Jesus has created the all time CD that will never change. The Works of man can be warped altered scratched torn rusted or eroded over time. The Word that Jesus does none of such things can happen to what Jesus had made. His work is Eternal. Adam’s sin marred the whole world but Jesus has the power to remove it all from us.

[wyguy]

You know what was cursed?

The final season of "Roseanne."

[Waiting2BwithHim]

Thank you Butero I can see that you understood me exactly...

That's a big feat to accomplish for anyone these days. I sometimes don't even understand what I am asking myself

But you have it on the head.

Thank you BTC because that's a good analogy that I can really understand and it makes perfect sense to me now.

I sometimes don't know how to phrase questions but am thankful to Lord that he puts people on my path to understand

what I ask and to lead me the correct way.

I know you didn't understand what I was saying Shiloh and so I wasn't expecting that I would get anyone to understand..

but I knew if you had the meaning of what I was trying to say then I'm sure your reply would have been different I'm sure.

Thanks again men...

BTW seeing it was men that I thought would answer this I thought I would be cursed not getting the right answer

God really did know what he was doing when he made man... but only in most cases. just kidding..

God always knew what he had wanted and how he was going to create it.

He is totally awesome.

[MeCajunboy]

In Genesis 3 13-19 It says

13 And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“ Because you have done this,

You are cursed more than all cattle,

And more than every beast of the field;

On your belly you shall go,

And you shall eat dust

All the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity

Between you and the woman,

And between your seed and her Seed;

He shall bruise your head,

And you shall bruise His hee

16 To the woman He said:

“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;

In pain you shall bring forth children;

Your desire shall be for your husband,

And he shall rule over you.”

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;

In toil you shall eat of it

All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,

And you shall eat the herb of the field.

19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread

Till you return to the ground,

For out of it you were taken;

For dust you are,

And to dust you shall return.”

It tells how from this point that we have to pay for the sin that was caused by Eve and Adam.

I guess basically what I want to ask is why really should anyone after them be paying for their sins?

Or am I thinking that maybe this is how sin started and that we are paying for our parents sins?

Does anyone get this drift?

I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

And to top it all off in this thinking ws that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

By thinking as you say, "we are paying for Adam and Eve's sins wouldn't that be like saying "I haven't sinned so why am I being punished.? " My question to you is, "Oh, you haven't sinned.?" You are the first soul on this earth who claims to have to endure sin because of our first parents because you haven't sinned yet.....I know and God only knows, I did my share of sinning in my early days..Now, not so bad as I age and understand how important it becomes NOT to sin...For me, it's like saying , "Lord, I don't really believe in you fully or trust you yet, so I'm going to continue my trek as a secular being and sin..But we don't really call it sin in the secular world because we don't recognize sleeping with another person out of a God' blessed marriage, sin now do we?

Perhaps I'm not really honing in on your concerns or perhaps I'm just rusty here. In any case, My apologies if I have misinterpreted your ideals and ideas.

In God's love

Larry

[MeCajunboy]

In Genesis 3 13-19 It says

13 And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“ Because you have done this,

You are cursed more than all cattle,

And more than every beast of the field;

On your belly you shall go,

And you shall eat dust

All the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity

Between you and the woman,

And between your seed and her Seed;

He shall bruise your head,

And you shall bruise His hee

16 To the woman He said:

“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;

In pain you shall bring forth children;

Your desire shall be for your husband,

And he shall rule over you.”

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;

In toil you shall eat of it

All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,

And you shall eat the herb of the field.

19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread

Till you return to the ground,

For out of it you were taken;

For dust you are,

And to dust you shall return.”

It tells how from this point that we have to pay for the sin that was caused by Eve and Adam.

I guess basically what I want to ask is why really should anyone after them be paying for their sins?

Or am I thinking that maybe this is how sin started and that we are paying for our parents sins?

Does anyone get this drift?

I sort of was thinking that this is like saying someone else does something wrong and you get blamed for it as well.

And to top it all off in this thinking ws that Jesus died for those sins also that he didn't commit.

I'm going over the top in my thinking again...Sorry

So would you want to be punished for a sin you didn't commit?

By thinking as you say, "we are paying for Adam and Eve's sins wouldn't that be like saying "I haven't sinned so why am I being punished.? " My question to you is, "Oh, you haven't sinned.?" You are the first soul on this earth who claims to have to endure sin because of our first parents because you haven't sinned yet.....I know and God only knows, I did my share of sinning in my early days..Now, not so bad as I age and understand how important it becomes NOT to sin...For me, it's like saying , "Lord, I don't really believe in you fully or trust you yet, so I'm going to continue my trek as a secular being and sin..But we don't really call it sin in the secular world because we don't recognize sleeping with another person out of a God' blessed marriage, sin now do we?

Perhaps I'm not really honing in on your concerns or perhaps I'm just rusty here. In any case, My apologies if I have misinterpreted your ideals and ideas.

In God's love

Larry