Women Pastors

[keslc]

What about single Women ministers?

In our churches case, Shelby, single women officers are still under authority (DC's, THQ's, etc) so we are still within Biblical guidelines.

I was just saying I agreed with what the woman missionary did, letting the local men who rose up from her ministry to pastor their congregation in their community. Also, I think the explanation of the passage establishing submission of women to their husbands authority is a more accurate take on that passage.

[apothanein kerdos]

What about single Women ministers?

1) Cannot hold authority over men

2) Can speak to the congregation as long as the senior pastor gives them that right.

[BobTriez]

What about single Women ministers?

1) Cannot hold authority over men

2) Can speak to the congregation as long as the senior pastor gives them that right.

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ? Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men. Then how do we determine who's where in their walk ? When would the "switch over" take place ? What about Children ? A woman can instruct & be in authority over him until what ? 18 years old and then on his 18th birthday he suddenly is in authority over his teacher & mentor ?

Shouldn't we leave that up to God and just submit to Him by submitting to whomever HE puts in authority over us ?

Thoughts ?

God bless,

Bob

[traveller]

First, to 1 Corinthians. When Paul says women are to be quiet in church and ask their husbands any questions they might have, Paul is attempt to solidify that the husband should be the authority which the woman seeks. Instead of going to a deacon, or an elder and asking them a question on the Bible, they should instead seek their husbands knowledge.

And if the women that are godly would do this maybe the lazy husbands might be motivated to do the studying that is required of them.

LT

oooo, good point.

I think this is an excellent point. Women should expect their husbands to be the spiritual authority in the household and hold them to it. This certainly can be done gently and meekly, especially if the woman is more spiritually mature than the husband. We should encourage him to grow, and we should allow it. This makes for great harmony, and encourages both to draw closer to God.

[apothanein kerdos]

What about single Women ministers?

1) Cannot hold authority over men

2) Can speak to the congregation as long as the senior pastor gives them that right.

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ? Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men. Then how do we determine who's where in their walk ? When would the "switch over" take place ? What about Children ? A woman can instruct & be in authority over him until what ? 18 years old and then on his 18th birthday he suddenly is in authority over his teacher & mentor ?

Shouldn't we leave that up to God and just submit to Him by submitting to whomever HE puts in authority over us ?

Thoughts ?

God bless,

Bob

The problem with this is that it denies all Biblical teachings and concepts. Paul was so adament about women submitting to men that he even wrote a passage about how wives should submit to their lost husbands. Thus, Paul seems to believe that submission is more important. Likewise, why would a woman need to lead a man on a one on one basis like you're describing? I would not advise a woman to lead a man or a man to lead a woman in a one on one situation because it would inevitably lead to trouble.

Also, to presuppos that God would call a woman to lead a man is again to go against what we've learned from the scriptures. We can say, "Oh but God can do whatever He wants." Yes, He can, however this doesn't mean He will. If God wanted to He could rid us of all sin at this moment and take everyone to Heaven. He has the power to do that. However the question is, will He? The obvious answer from someone who studies scripture is "no". Likewise, can God call a woman to lead men in a church setting? Absolutely. The quesiton is, "will He?" The obvious answer from scripture is a resounding no.

[BobTriez]

The problem with this is that it denies all Biblical teachings and concepts. Paul was so adament about women submitting to men that he even wrote a passage about how wives should submit to their lost husbands. Thus, Paul seems to believe that submission is more important. Likewise, why would a woman need to lead a man on a one on one basis like you're describing? I would not advise a woman to lead a man or a man to lead a woman in a one on one situation because it would inevitably lead to trouble.

Also, to presuppos that God would call a woman to lead a man is again to go against what we've learned from the scriptures. We can say, "Oh but God can do whatever He wants." Yes, He can, however this doesn't mean He will. If God wanted to He could rid us of all sin at this moment and take everyone to Heaven. He has the power to do that. However the question is, will He? The obvious answer from someone who studies scripture is "no". Likewise, can God call a woman to lead men in a church setting? Absolutely. The quesiton is, "will He?" The obvious answer from scripture is a resounding no.

Just asking for purposes of discussion. Thanks

God bless,

Bob

[keslc]

What about single Women ministers?

1) Cannot hold authority over men

2) Can speak to the congregation as long as the senior pastor gives them that right.

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ? Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men. Then how do we determine who's where in their walk ? When would the "switch over" take place ? What about Children ? A woman can instruct & be in authority over him until what ? 18 years old and then on his 18th birthday he suddenly is in authority over his teacher & mentor ?

Shouldn't we leave that up to God and just submit to Him by submitting to whomever HE puts in authority over us ?

Thoughts ?

God bless,

Bob

Bob, good questions. You are right, hmmmm? Personally, I think that in all we do, we need to pray and seek God earnestly rather than rely on mens (generic term, not referring to males, lol) opinions. Again, as I have said before, He will guide and lead us. In my devotion time this morning I was reading 1 Timothy 4 and thought of this thread (particularly verses 1-4) Worth a read anyway!

Also, personally if my family (as in my husband, me and children) had a choice of being pastored by a single woman who was a Godly woman and firm in faith and truth or a man who had questionable doctrines, a shady lifestyle (going to clubs partying, etc) we would choose the woman.

[keslc]

What about single Women ministers?

1) Cannot hold authority over men

2) Can speak to the congregation as long as the senior pastor gives them that right.

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ? Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men. Then how do we determine who's where in their walk ? When would the "switch over" take place ? What about Children ? A woman can instruct & be in authority over him until what ? 18 years old and then on his 18th birthday he suddenly is in authority over his teacher & mentor ?

Shouldn't we leave that up to God and just submit to Him by submitting to whomever HE puts in authority over us ?

Thoughts ?

God bless,

Bob

The problem with this is that it denies all Biblical teachings and concepts. Paul was so adament about women submitting to men that he even wrote a passage about how wives should submit to their lost husbands. Thus, Paul seems to believe that submission is more important. Likewise, why would a woman need to lead a man on a one on one basis like you're describing? I would not advise a woman to lead a man or a man to lead a woman in a one on one situation because it would inevitably lead to trouble.

Also, to presuppos that God would call a woman to lead a man is again to go against what we've learned from the scriptures. We can say, "Oh but God can do whatever He wants." Yes, He can, however this doesn't mean He will. If God wanted to He could rid us of all sin at this moment and take everyone to Heaven. He has the power to do that. However the question is, will He? The obvious answer from someone who studies scripture is "no". Likewise, can God call a woman to lead men in a church setting? Absolutely. The quesiton is, "will He?" The obvious answer from scripture is a resounding no.

I think the problem here is you are saying the scriptures are telling women to submit to all men. I don't think that is the case. I think that yes, Paul was very adadment about women submitting to their husbands, but not all men.

[stevehut]

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ? Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men.

Do you mean to say that there are no mature men in your church to shepherd this guy?

[BobTriez]

What if a man needs a woman in authority over him ?  Let's face it, there are some VERY mature women and some VERY immature men.

Do you mean to say that there are no mature men in your church to shepherd this guy?

Oh boy....so much for hypotheticals