Presidential debate lastnight

[papasangel]

Did anyone watch the debate last night between President Bush and Senator Kerry?

According to the debate watchers Kerry won the debate but I gave up halfway through it.

Also did anyone notice the President's left side? It seems to me he has had a small stroke or something. His speech wasn't as smooth as it usually is either? Any thoughts?

[serotta]

IMO, Bush started very strongly, got caught in a quagmire in the middle, but came on strong at the end. I am going to vote for Bush, and had made my mind up prior to the debate. In the middle 2/3 of the debate, GWB was tenteative, had trouble finding words, and his body language while Kerry spoke was horendous. I thought GWB did an excellent job at the beginning at pointing out that Kerry's methods are not presedential leadership, and I appreciated the point that GWB made toward the end about Kerry bowing to global opinion. I would hope that people like Steff saw a huge difference between the 2 candidates hear. GWB will not bow to global pressure whether it be the UN, the international criminal courts, or just the court of public opinion, where Kerry will basically wait to be told what to do by the UN, the EC or some other "global authority". That is a huge difference.

[Guest Psalm27]

Great thread and so much to talk about...but my thoughts are so...um...what is the word to describe how I feel? Think I will go to the elections forum where maybe I can voice my opinion in the proper forum.

Praying hard for a Bush win.

[Guest Psalm27]

The terrorists have always been there... remember this is their "holy Jihad"... to wipe out Christians and Jews. They want the US out of the way to destroy Israel.

There were wars all throughout the bible.... to think that it's unchristian to go to war isn't true.

[Kabowd]

Kerry was very articulate and communicated very well...the problem was with the content of his message. He still contradicts himself and incorrectly accuses the President. He says the war was a mistake and a diversion, yet thinks he can rally other nations for support? Pshh.

Bush, on the other hand, stumbled and paused a couple of times...but the content of his message was authoritative and decisive. Two things he said that I thought were very important: how does Kerry intend on rallying support from leaders he has publicly criticized and when he calls the war a mistake? and while homeland security is important, we need to remain on the offense. we fight the enemy over there to keep them from attacking us here.

I appreciated the President's passion (though journalists have labeled him "grumpy"). I think he demonstrated how seriously he takes our national security.

What I don't understand...is with two candidates so completely opposite..how can there really be "undecided" voters? It's either/or geeze. Those who are undecided must be complete flakes if they are on the fence with these two...gah.

[AnotherTraveler]

Islamic Fundamentalists were not welcome in Iraq and ruthlessly suppressed.

Everyone was ruthlessly suppressed. Saddam's perverted sons would scour villages and take virgins just to defile them, murder and terror were the very environment in Iraq.

I have no doubt that if Saddam had the opportunity that Hitler had, he would have made the kind of efforts that Hitler made.

As it was, he murdered as many of his own people as he felt the need to do, so how can anyone speak evil of his removal from power?

[papasangel]

With all due respect Tim there have been many christians and jews murdered in Iraq before the war. Saddam and his sons murdered and tortured anyone whom they wanted to. I know of a missionary who was arrested over there and accused of spreading sedition. He wound up severely beaten and left for dead in a prison cell. So yes christians are persecuted there even before the war. Did you know that over there it is a crime to preach the gospel? Its punishable by death. So how did your view of being protected by Saddams secular government come about?

[Trinity]

are you tell me saddam lied bye putting people in mass graves lables? are you telling me the christians over there lied about how saddam came into their churches and killed raped a tortured people? pff... your crazy...

[Trinity]

i knew missionarys who went over there and said that saddams government will kill you for preeching.

[papasangel]

Tim I want you to know I am praying for you. From reading several of your posts I get the impression that you have a lot of hatred built up. So I am asking everyone here to please pray for Tim.

Second, No I am not the most intelliegent person in the world you are right. But I do read quite well as a matter of fact and I do have friends in the missionary field. I gave you a fact about the preaching because the man who was tortured is the brother of one of the ladies in our church. He has horrendous scars all over his body from that torture and by God's grace lived to tell about it. So I know for a fact he isn't lying.

You are right we didn't invade those other countries. Mainly because you fight terrorism on step at a time. Yes there are atrocities all over the world but the US cannot fight everywhere at once.

With all due respect to Mr Azziz, he cannot "protect" evdery christian there nor can he control what happens there to christians either.