"Father" and "Son" Ousted from the Trinity in New Bibl

[He giveth more grace]

This a serious matter and just a sign of the times, apostates are being very active in this day.

It is 3:19 in my time zone, I am going back to bed.

[oldzimm]

I'm really getting tired of this "Oh we don't want to offend the muslims" attitude, I say tell it to them like it is and if they are offended, then so be it.

So this goes out to any muslims that might be reading this, Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD and it is only through Jesus Christ that you will get to Heaven, any other belief will get you to Hell.

Side note: They serve pork 24/7 in Hell.

Well I might of been stretching it on my side note, but everything else posted was the real McCoy.

[~candice~]

I'm really getting tired of this "Oh we don't want to offend the muslims" attitude, I say tell it to them like it is and if they are offended, then so be it.

So this goes out to any muslims that might be reading this, Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD and it is only through Jesus Christ that you will get to Heaven, any other belief will get you to Hell.

Side note: They serve pork 24/7 in Hell.

Well I might of been stretching it on my side note, but everything else posted was the real McCoy.

Wow, did you read what Wycliffe said at all? They said their motivation was NOT to avoid offending people, but that the term 'Son of God' does not convey the correct meaning in Arabic writing so the words were changed to convey the appropriate meaning.

Guys, I am really worried about criticising a ministry that God has used for years. I see some of His hand in the previous work of Wycliffe to reach millions in their native tongue. Please be very careful before criticising a ministry when that ministry is indicating that the news article we first saw is not really accurate.

[Guest]

Amen~!

Praying~!

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:11

[joi]

Third, Frontiers and SIL have produced a new Turkish translation of the Gospel of Matthew that uses Turkish equivalents of "guardian" for "Father" and "representative" or "proxy" for "Son." To Turkish church leader Rev. Fikret Böcek, "This translation is 'an all-American idea' with absolutely no respect for the 'sacredness' of Scripture, or even of the growing Turkish church."

Speaks for its self.

[~candice~]

I'm talking specifically about the criticism of Wycliffe. I just think we ought to be very careful before smearing a ministry, I've never felt comfortable doing it. News articles can be wrong, what if this one is wrong or doesn't accurately reflect the intent of Wycliffe?

[oldzimm]

I'm really getting tired of this "Oh we don't want to offend the muslims" attitude, I say tell it to them like it is and if they are offended, then so be it.

So this goes out to any muslims that might be reading this, Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD and it is only through Jesus Christ that you will get to Heaven, any other belief will get you to Hell.

Side note: They serve pork 24/7 in Hell.

Well I might of been stretching it on my side note, but everything else posted was the real McCoy.

Wow, did you read what Wycliffe said at all? They said their motivation was NOT to avoid offending people, but that the term 'Son of God' does not convey the correct meaning in Arabic writing so the words were changed to convey the appropriate meaning.

Guys, I am really worried about criticising a ministry that God has used for years. I see some of His hand in the previous work of Wycliffe to reach millions in their native tongue. Please be very careful before criticising a ministry when that ministry is indicating that the news article we first saw is not really accurate.

Now, now Candice, ease down on the throttle . People can say one thing and do something entirely for a different reason, maybe this is the case and maybe it isn't. As a Christian if the following statement is true, it offends me.

"Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit" instead of "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Who are they referring to when it speaks of the Messiah, could they be speaking of mohammed? When the Holy Bible Speaks of the Son of God, we know fully well it is speaking of Jesus Christ.

Mark 9:7-8 (KJV)

7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

[~candice~]

I'm really getting tired of this "Oh we don't want to offend the muslims" attitude, I say tell it to them like it is and if they are offended, then so be it.

So this goes out to any muslims that might be reading this, Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD and it is only through Jesus Christ that you will get to Heaven, any other belief will get you to Hell.

Side note: They serve pork 24/7 in Hell.

Well I might of been stretching it on my side note, but everything else posted was the real McCoy.

Wow, did you read what Wycliffe said at all? They said their motivation was NOT to avoid offending people, but that the term 'Son of God' does not convey the correct meaning in Arabic writing so the words were changed to convey the appropriate meaning.

Guys, I am really worried about criticising a ministry that God has used for years. I see some of His hand in the previous work of Wycliffe to reach millions in their native tongue. Please be very careful before criticising a ministry when that ministry is indicating that the news article we first saw is not really accurate.

Now, now Candice, ease down on the throttle . People can say one thing and do something entirely for a different reason, maybe this is the case and maybe it isn't. As a Christian if the following statement is true, it offends me.

"Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit" instead of "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Who are they referring to when it speaks of the Messiah, could they be speaking of mohammed? When the Holy Bible Speaks of the Son of God, we know fully well it is speaking of Jesus Christ.

Mark 9:7-8 (KJV)

7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

I think it is offensive in english because it conveys a different message to us than what we believe the Word says. But, that phrase may well accurately transmit the biblical message in that language. The world doesn't revolve around us. If, according to their own language, this is a biblical message, then I would be OK with it. I don't see where it says Mohammed.

[oldzimm]

Now, now Candice, ease down on the throttle . People can say one thing and do something entirely for a different reason, maybe this is the case and maybe it isn't. As a Christian if the following statement is true, it offends me.

"Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit" instead of "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Who are they referring to when it speaks of the Messiah, could they be speaking of mohammed? When the Holy Bible Speaks of the Son of God, we know fully well it is speaking of Jesus Christ.

Mark 9:7-8 (KJV)

7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

I think it is offensive in english because it conveys a different message to us than what we believe the Word says. But, that phrase may well accurately transmit the biblical message in that language. The world doesn't revolve around us. If, according to their own language, this is a biblical message, then I would be OK with it. I don't see where it says Mohammed.

We as Christians know the Messiah is Jesus Christ, yet to many other religions the Messiah hasn't come yet or they believe the Messiah to be someone else. If we are to preach the word to non believers who are seeking, what are they going to think when the word Messiah is used instead of Son of God? When It reads Son of God, there is no mistaking it to mean Jesus Christ.

[~candice~]

Hmm did you read those links? In some languages there is no casual / non-literal familiar term for son, and using Son of God implies sexual activity. There is a problem! We don't want to imply Jesus was created through sexual activity.