Guest shiloh357 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 help those who cant help themselves. i agree. sadly america and the west have forgotten that. What need to do is minister to the poor with the idea of sustainability. There may be a need for immediate aid, but we need to get people off of their feet and working and being able to sustain themselves and meet their own challenges without need of outside aid. We need to get people away from the entitlement mentality that pervades our communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 "Social justice" is a term that intends to play on the envy (emotions) of people. It assumes that life should be fair for everyone and that is a moral judgment of whoever happens to be in charge today. It will always fail because it depends on man being "fair" to other men. That is a rare man indeed. We simply can never guarantee equal results for everyone unless we're talking about misery. The best we can do is guarantee equal opportunity to succeed and some will, while others will always be trying to get by with as little effort as possible. There should be (and is) a mechanism for helping those who genuinely can't help themselves...and there should be (and is) specialized programs to address specific situations for people who genuinely need help to access greater opportunity like education, health care, public transportation, etc... But there will always be some part of a population that will simply not even try, yet demand to be taken care of. Doing so is NOT social justice because the majority are then being discriminated against, and the failure of those they're supposedly helping is then guaranteed. What we need is a revolutionary revival of the truth. People need to stop being offended when the truth is told to them. Ha, fat chance in America today. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2005 Posted May 8, 2012 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 720 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/27/1966 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Define truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Define truth. Void of deception; fact The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is what is missing when the issue is social justice. The truth is that life "should" be fair. When it is not, some people want to take advantage of that situation because fairness isn't what they care about, it's power. In almost every historical revolution that started with "social justice", it ended with totalitarian dictatorships instead. So in every place where you see the words "social justice" you should read collectivism (communism, socialism, etc) because this how they start every time. They appeal to the envy of those who want "social justice" by making promises they have no intention of keeping. Once they can convince them that they are "victims" of (whoever they need out of the way or makes the most convenient scapegoat), then they can turn that envy into hatred pretty easily. Once they've got real hatred stirred up, then they can manipulate and direct this base emotion in individuals like watering a seed, turning those extremely offended people into perpetrators for their plan. Almost every totalitarian dictatorship in history began this way. There is a detectable pattern and it's visible to all who know it, but invisible to those who have no love of the truth. God has given them over to believe strong delusion. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2012 So in every place where you see the words "social justice" you should read collectivism (communism, socialism, etc) because this how they start every time. They appeal to the envy of those who want "social justice" by making promises they have no intention of keeping. Once they can convince them that they are "victims" of (whoever they need out of the way or makes the most convenient scapegoat), then they can turn that envy into hatred pretty easily. Once they've got real hatred stirred up, then they can manipulate and direct this base emotion in individuals like watering a seed, turning those extremely offended people into perpetrators for their plan. Currently, the social justice viewpoint is that white people (specifically the usa) are the "oppressors" who need to give over their "unfair" wealth to everyone else. This is part of black liberation theology that is being preached by jeremiah wright and his ilk. The pastor that obama sat under for 20 years and whom he calls a mentor and spiritual advisor. I read the book that defines black liberation theology by jimmy cone. He states it quite clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted May 8, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I guess it depends on your definition of social justice jade-by the "modern" definition I guess im against it to, but to me true social justice is what wilberforce did-and is without compromise. By that definition theres nothing socialistic about it-its standing up for whats right without reserve, without compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted May 8, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2012 yes most americans want the free stuff. i saw this today at a lawnmower shop America doesnt run on Dunkin Doughnuts.American runs on medicare and food stamps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2005 Posted May 8, 2012 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 720 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/27/1966 Share Posted May 8, 2012 So in every place where you see the words "social justice" you should read collectivism (communism, socialism, etc) because this how they start every time. They appeal to the envy of those who want "social justice" by making promises they have no intention of keeping. Once they can convince them that they are "victims" of (whoever they need out of the way or makes the most convenient scapegoat), then they can turn that envy into hatred pretty easily. Once they've got real hatred stirred up, then they can manipulate and direct this base emotion in individuals like watering a seed, turning those extremely offended people into perpetrators for their plan. Currently, the social justice viewpoint is that white people (specifically the usa) are the "oppressors" who need to give over their "unfair" wealth to everyone else. This is part of black liberation theology that is being preached by jeremiah wright and his ilk. The pastor that obama sat under for 20 years and whom he calls a mentor and spiritual advisor. I read the book that defines black liberation theology by jimmy cone. He states it quite clearly. Sheesh, that's not how I define social justice. Not even close. And I'm a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 9, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2012 So in every place where you see the words "social justice" you should read collectivism (communism, socialism, etc) because this how they start every time. They appeal to the envy of those who want "social justice" by making promises they have no intention of keeping. Once they can convince them that they are "victims" of (whoever they need out of the way or makes the most convenient scapegoat), then they can turn that envy into hatred pretty easily. Once they've got real hatred stirred up, then they can manipulate and direct this base emotion in individuals like watering a seed, turning those extremely offended people into perpetrators for their plan. Currently, the social justice viewpoint is that white people (specifically the usa) are the "oppressors" who need to give over their "unfair" wealth to everyone else. This is part of black liberation theology that is being preached by jeremiah wright and his ilk. The pastor that obama sat under for 20 years and whom he calls a mentor and spiritual advisor. I read the book that defines black liberation theology by jimmy cone. He states it quite clearly. Sheesh, that's not how I define social justice. Not even close. And I'm a socialist. You are not in power currently lol. The ones who are, define it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted May 9, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted May 9, 2012 then maybe, true social justice right now, is removing those in power and re-instituting the proper definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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