larryt Posted June 14, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I am serving our country in the US Air Force. We may have immoral leaders running our military, but to blame the servicemember for that, or question their devotion to Christian living is unjust. If you are worried about how our military is used, then vote for God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders. What if the day comes where our leaders order our military to fire on our countrymen? Who do you want on the other end of the gun, Christians/Jews, or "all others?" Maybe some of us Christians joined the military to protect you from a tyrannical government. Hi Justin, I hope you really do not think that I am blaming the service person in all my posts. As long as you are in the military do the best you can to protect this country and uphold the constitution. I do not know why you joined the Air Force but if it was to fight terrorism you believed a lie. The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. Nor do I question your "devotion to Christian living." But this statement begs the question. Is your devotion to Christian living or is your devotion to Jesus Christ? It is not me you will answer this question to.. I am not worried abut how the military of the US is used. If you can point out ANY God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders I would vote for them. I don't see any and the elections are all fixed by those who who are trying to bring about the NWO/ One world Gov't. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. But I am not counting on the military to protect me. I am counting on the Lord God Almighty to preserve me and keep me in any case whether I live or die. I will live here on this earth for as long as the Lord has for me to be conformed to Jesus Christ and not a moment longer. 1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderJ Posted June 14, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1993 Share Posted June 14, 2012 The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. That is a load of crap. Islam wishes to destroy us; the brave members of our military defend us. You should be grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldShep Posted June 15, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 6 Joined: 07/20/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/12/1950 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. That is a load of crap. Islam wishes to destroy us; the brave members of our military defend us. You should be grateful. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. I do believe that there are more people that believe in and follow Jesus Christ, serving in the military then you may think. Sir: larryt IMO~~~Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted June 15, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I am serving our country in the US Air Force. We may have immoral leaders running our military, but to blame the servicemember for that, or question their devotion to Christian living is unjust. If you are worried about how our military is used, then vote for God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders. What if the day comes where our leaders order our military to fire on our countrymen? Who do you want on the other end of the gun, Christians/Jews, or "all others?" Maybe some of us Christians joined the military to protect you from a tyrannical government. Hi Justin, I hope you really do not think that I am blaming the service person in all my posts. As long as you are in the military do the best you can to protect this country and uphold the constitution. I do not know why you joined the Air Force but if it was to fight terrorism you believed a lie. The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. Nor do I question your "devotion to Christian living." But this statement begs the question. Is your devotion to Christian living or is your devotion to Jesus Christ? It is not me you will answer this question to.. I am not worried abut how the military of the US is used. If you can point out ANY God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders I would vote for them. I don't see any and the elections are all fixed by those who who are trying to bring about the NWO/ One world Gov't. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. But I am not counting on the military to protect me. I am counting on the Lord God Almighty to preserve me and keep me in any case whether I live or die. I will live here on this earth for as long as the Lord has for me to be conformed to Jesus Christ and not a moment longer. 1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. I really don't see a distinction between living a Christian life and devotion to Christ, they are one and the same. I joined the Air Force long before any "War on Terrorism" began. I am a pre 9-11er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted June 15, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. That is a load of crap. Islam wishes to destroy us; the brave members of our military defend us. You should be grateful. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. I do believe that there are more people that believe in and follow Jesus Christ, serving in the military then you may think. Sir: larryt IMO~~~Dennis You are right Dennis, there are many Christians serving in the US military, actually about 70%. I wish it were more like 100%, but since it is unlawful to proselytize while in uniform, it's very difficult to bring that number up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncran Posted June 15, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,246 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 15, 2012 The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. That is a load of crap. Islam wishes to destroy us; the brave members of our military defend us. You should be grateful. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. I do believe that there are more people that believe in and follow Jesus Christ, serving in the military then you may think. Sir: larryt IMO~~~Dennis You are right Dennis, there are many Christians serving in the US military, actually about 70%. I wish it were more like 100%, but since it is unlawful to proselytize while in uniform, it's very difficult to bring that number up. where in the ucmj is that? im well still in and i am a cold war era vet and we proseletyse. my chaplain was doing that and i have at lunch time told others of the things in the bible and years ago told other to come to christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted June 15, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I am serving our country in the US Air Force. We may have immoral leaders running our military, but to blame the servicemember for that, or question their devotion to Christian living is unjust. If you are worried about how our military is used, then vote for God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders. What if the day comes where our leaders order our military to fire on our countrymen? Who do you want on the other end of the gun, Christians/Jews, or "all others?" Maybe some of us Christians joined the military to protect you from a tyrannical government. Hi Justin, I hope you really do not think that I am blaming the service person in all my posts. As long as you are in the military do the best you can to protect this country and uphold the constitution. I do not know why you joined the Air Force but if it was to fight terrorism you believed a lie. The US has been the manufacturer of all the terrorist that we are supposedly fighting. Nor do I question your "devotion to Christian living." But this statement begs the question. Is your devotion to Christian living or is your devotion to Jesus Christ? It is not me you will answer this question to.. I am not worried abut how the military of the US is used. If you can point out ANY God Fearing, Moral, Christian Leaders I would vote for them. I don't see any and the elections are all fixed by those who who are trying to bring about the NWO/ One world Gov't. And when the day comes when the military is turned against the citizens of the US there aren't enough real Christians to make enough of a difference. But I am not counting on the military to protect me. I am counting on the Lord God Almighty to preserve me and keep me in any case whether I live or die. I will live here on this earth for as long as the Lord has for me to be conformed to Jesus Christ and not a moment longer. 1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. I really don't see a distinction between living a Christian life and devotion to Christ, they are one and the same. I joined the Air Force long before any "War on Terrorism" began. I am a pre 9-11er. I have found that there are many that are trying to live a Christian life but have never met the Saviour. I have read some of your posts and I do not doubt your faith in Him. That does not mean that as a Christian we cannot be deceived for a season. But as a Christian we will be given more light as we are faithful with the light that we are given. If we die to ourselves He will live in us and we won't have to try to live the Christian life. Before 9-11 I was naive about world events but had been presented with different view regarding some of the world events of major consequence. With 9-11 the media explanations just did not add up. The alternative theories made more sense and in my view are more provable. LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Pacifism is a secular, non-religious concept. It is not based on Scripture. It is very poor hermeneutics to try and read a secular concept like pacifism into the Bible. Jesus did not address the issue of pacifism. Jesus'; comments about turning the other cheek, not exacting revenge, etc. were meant to correct rabbinic abuses with the biblical text, not to introduce pacifsm. Those who use the Bible to teach pacifism, are abusing the Scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodan Posted June 20, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2012 Pacifism is a secular, non-religious concept. It is not based on Scripture. It is very poor hermeneutics to try and read a secular concept like pacifism into the Bible. Jesus did not address the issue of pacifism. Jesus'; comments about turning the other cheek, not exacting revenge, etc. were meant to correct rabbinic abuses with the biblical text, not to introduce pacifsm. Those who use the Bible to teach pacifism, are abusing the Scriptures. Pacifism is a recent term [19th Century, I think] and there are non-Christian philosophies behind different forms of it. The Biblical concept is non-retaliation which is how Mennonites have traditionally phrased it. But in its basic meaning of refusal to bear arms in war, it describes the Christianity of the first three centuries. . http://facultyblog.eternitybiblecollege.com/2012/05/15/christians-violence-part-2/ 30th Anniversary Edition http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Pacifism-Fruit-Narrow-ebook/dp/B005RIKH62/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_t_2 Classic work: Early Christian Attitude to War http://www.compassionatespirit.com/Cadoux/Cadoux-home.htm Statement on pacifism by Russian Baptists: http://rusbaptist.stunda.org/engl/pacific.htm Defining Pacifism: http://thinkingpacifism.net/2011/12/04/how-does-pacifism-properly-understood-work-as-a-core-christian-conviction/ Notes on Church History by noted scholar: http://www.bibleviews.com/Biblicalnonresist.html#Author Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted June 20, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted June 20, 2012 David was a general, and killed his "thousands". He was also the "apple of God's eye" Have you ever read the reason that God gave David as to why he would not be allowed to build the Temple? 1 Chron 22 I had it in my heart to build a house to the name of the Lord my God. 8 But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have waged great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood before me on the earth. I am well aware of the reason, I also know what David did about it to honor the Lord. Do you? I also know that David was loved by God, no matter what he had done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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