other one Posted July 26, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,163 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,885 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2012 Other One also refrains from putting his fellow posters down. Well, I've fallen short of that this week..... and it bothers me a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted July 26, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Yes, I understand. Misdirect, Misdirect. You do realize that you have been the one who is bringing up people like Carnegie and others that have no relation to the topic. The topic is regarding Obama's speech. If anyone is misdirecting things, I'm afraid it's you. Are you honestly afraid to examine examples, lots of them, that actually work against this Ideology? Here we go again.. All that has been discussed in this thread is Obama's recent speech. All I have said in this thread so far is his quotes are being taken out of context. When put in context it's pretty obvious what he meant. What "ideology" are you referring to? Also if you would provide examples that are actually relevant to the discussion I'd be glad to comment on them. It's funny how the full context was never quoted. In context; "it must be because you worked harder than anybody else, you didn't build that." Are you deliberately ignoring things now? Not only is your "in context" quote wrong since you're clipping parts together, but I already posted the entire speech and clipped a larger portion of his quote. Dave this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say you aren't reading what other people are writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVE SONGS Posted July 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2012 The fall of the stock market. The collapsing of small and large business place throughout the United States . (Starting with Detroit , Mich.) The Banks, ... it is harder for them , to give out loans. People losing their jobs. People losing their houses. Pushing oil field companies of the U.S. to find work overseas . High fuel prices. High cost of living...food, shelter, utilities, insurances, medical, etc. The ecomomy is going to get worst . It is obvious to see ,and know that this man , has not done anything to help out the people of the United States since, he has been in office, as the President of the United States. I would not give him a Pat On The Back For Nothing ! And I cannot wait to cast my vote against him , this coming election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Government is tasked with providing an environment that is conducive to job production and job growth. If you start your own business, if you put in the hours, make the sacrifices and take the risks, YOU, not the government gets the credit. No sane business owner denies the benefits of infrustructure government provides, but to say that you owe everyone else for your success is nonsense. This is the kind of socialst, liberal drivel we get from Obama when he goes off the teleprompter. He shows his true far left socialist, anti-American mentality in moments like those. I got my college degree because of me, not because of my instructors. They provided the information, but I had to master it on my own. I had to make the sacrifices and put in the hard work and I had to discipline myself to study.I had to take the tests, write the papers, read the books and know the information. The School provided the environment, but I made the grade on my own. That is just commonsense. (something Obama supporters typically lack). A vote for Obama is a vote for Eurpean-styled socialism. Obama supporters would probably be much happier in France (once the get past the urine smell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVE SONGS Posted July 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2012 A business, is started through the individuals' idea of opening up, his or her own business. They go to the bank to borrow the money. Emplyees are the backbone of the companys' business. If there is not enough money circulation happening. That business will callapse. Callapsing of businesses through the United states due to the bad ecomony. Not enough business opportunities and for money to circulate . No...opportunities for companies . No...money flow. No jobs for employees. Out of Business ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2012 Yes, I understand. Misdirect, Misdirect. You do realize that you have been the one who is bringing up people like Carnegie and others that have no relation to the topic. The topic is regarding Obama's speech. If anyone is misdirecting things, I'm afraid it's you. Are you honestly afraid to examine examples, lots of them, that actually work against this Ideology? Here we go again.. All that has been discussed in this thread is Obama's recent speech. All I have said in this thread so far is his quotes are being taken out of context. When put in context it's pretty obvious what he meant. What "ideology" are you referring to? Also if you would provide examples that are actually relevant to the discussion I'd be glad to comment on them. It's funny how the full context was never quoted. In context; "it must be because you worked harder than anybody else, you didn't build that." Are you deliberately ignoring things now? Not only is your "in context" quote wrong since you're clipping parts together, but I already posted the entire speech and clipped a larger portion of his quote. Dave this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say you aren't reading what other people are writing. Okay Spinmeister. Here's the actual text of the speech in context from the Presidents own website; There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. http://www.whitehous...oanoke-virginia Here's the snippet that KatyAnn posted and that you parroted in spin; "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help," Mr. Obama said. "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life... Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen... The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." You left off some significant parts there. Say hello to the Chinese for me though because if you keep digging a hole for yourself it's where you will end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted July 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted July 27, 2012 The great irony is I already posted a link to the entire speech in my earlier reply... once again it appears you aren't reading what I'm typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2012 The great irony is I already posted a link to the entire speech in my earlier reply... once again it appears you aren't reading what I'm typing. No, you posted a link to a site full of someones opinion and spin on the subject. Nice try though. Would you care to comment on the glaring ommissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted July 27, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No, you posted a link to a site full of someones opinion and spin on the subject. Nice try though. Would you care to comment on the glaring ommissions? Let's read the link together, shall we? All of the below is from http://www.politifac...-build-comment/ Mitt Romney and other Republicans have pounced on a line from President Barack Obama that they say denigrates people who create and build businesses. It's stating Romney & Republicans are upset over a line in Obama's speech that they say denigrates people who create & build businesses. I see literally no way how it can be taken to be "full of someones opinion and spin on the subject". As Romney put it in a July 17, 2012, speech in Irwin, Pa., Obama "said this; ‘If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.’" So this is stating what Romney put in a July 17th speech. Once again I fail to see how this is "full of someones opinion and spin on the subject". ...the rest of the article is word for word verbatim several paragraphs from Obama's speech, which is identical to the link you got from your page. Perhaps you also consider verbatim transcript of Obama's speech to be a website's "spin and opinion"? Whenever you are willing to have an honest conversation with me let me know. You continue to call me names (like spinmeister) and continue to demonstrate your inability to read what I'm posting before leaping to false conclusions. This is now at least the 3rd time I've asked you to stop name-calling. Frankly it's beginning to border on harassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted July 27, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted July 27, 2012 What I find odd in discussions like this is that supporters of the president want to deny his worldview. Obama supporters: Be honest with yourselves and others - Obama has a worldview and it is based in part on big government solutions to problems. Obviously you support the man - so support his policies. Quit denying them; rather, go ahead and embrace them. Rather than spend time denying his clear intentions with pleas of "that was taken out of context, blah blah blah", tell us WHY big government solutions are to be desired and embraced. Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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