The Sabbath

[SDAinFLA]

I will jump in here to offer a compromise that I think is reasonable and perhaps, with some reflection, will be acceptable to those holding a strong position one way or the other.

The early first-century Church was made up originally mostly of Jews. They undoubtedly met on the seventh day, Saturday, continuing their normal worship. Indeed, they had to be corrected about requiring circumcision and keeping all the laws of Moses. These Christian Jews were causing trouble in the synagogues and met with hostility from their fellow non-Christian Jews, so they started to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, as recorded in Acts. I think this is what may have prompted Paul to write in Colossians

Edited February 17, 2005 by SDAinFLA

[SDAinFLA]

SDA

[SDAinFLA]

I am still waiting for that defense. Since I choose to assembly with the saints on the first day of the week to break bread (Acts 20:7), please explain why I am in danger of a devils hell.

Assembly doesn't make a Sabbath day. So whether me or you esteem one day above another...in the end obeying what God says is most important.

[SDAinFLA]

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If I convert to the SDA Church must I believe

[SDAinFLA]

You are trying hard to skirt the issue. Why? Do you find Mrs. White

[SDAinFLA]

Horizon, you're taking to long to respond back. I got to go to bed now...I just got married a month ago and my wife is going to kill me...It's 11:17 pm in FL!

Please let me know when you come back and we can look at the Mark of the Beast according to the Bible.

Thanks for the response. God Bless

[SDAinFLA]

The truth is you can

[SDAinFLA]

Is there salvation outside of the SDA Church?

Of course there is salvation outside of SDA church. The SDA or any other church cannot save someone, salvation is through Jesus Christ.

If any SDA is teaching that then they have been mis-informed.

In my opinion...in heaven we will see muslims and other religions that followed all the light that they had.

Can I reject the SDA Church with all the false doctrines of Ellen White and still be a Christian in good standing with God?

Sure. If the Lord is telling you to reject them...who am I to tell you to accept them?

I am sure you are already a Christian in good standing with God.

Please present you defense in its entirety for review. Show in scripture why all churches except SDA are worshiping

[Arthur Durnan]

Well, FLA is a beautiful State, but the SDA part leaves a whole lot to be desired! Jehovah's resting on the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath wasn't because He was tired (Isaiah 40:28), but His work was completed. Not a hint, not a whisper, nothing re binding the Sabbath on humanity! JEHOVAH ALONE RESTED! The Sabbath could not have logically been given to mankind at that time because as yet man had not labored. Not only do the followers of one Ellen Gould Harmon White & her outlandish philosophies re continual Judaic practices - several of which I underscored earlier but were not responded to - wish to impose the Sabbath on everyone, they fail to offer biblical proof for such determination. If Jehovah passed His rest on to Adam, He didn't tell us about it! Where is the evidence Jehovah ORDERED Adam to keep it spotless, much more all humanity for all time? Why make an issue where God's Word doesn't?

From Adam thru to Moses - almost 2500 years - Scripture NOWHERE ORDERS Jehovah's Sabbath for anyone SAVE ISRAEL! The Sabbath is plainly said to be a particular & special sign BETWEEN JEHOVAH AND THE JEWISH NATION (Exodus 16:29, "The Lord has given YOU the Sabbath...." (The "YOU" happens to be ISRAEL, not the Christian Church!). And, of course, the Jewish Sabbath carried PENALTIES for the Jews' BREAKING of it! SDA folk usually steer away from the necessity of PENALTIES for offending the Mosaic code. Why?

If indeed the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath did exist, then it is more than passing strange that, altho we find accounts of the religious life & worship of the patriarchs, in which accounts mention is specifically made to the rite of circumcision, the sacrifices, the offering of the tithe, and the institution of marriage, we should discover NO MENTION of the institution of the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath! IT DID NOT EXIST, for Moses is quite explicity: "Hear, O ISRAEL, the statutes & judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that YOU (ISRAEL) may learn them, and keep, and do them. The Lord our God made a covenant with YOU (ISRAEL) in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, BUT WITH US (ISRAEL), even US (ISRAEL), who are of US (ISRAEL) here alive this day." (Deuteronomy 5). Such a schoolroom-obvious statement by Moses settles the query once for all.

This biblical FACT is not easy to pass over or to explain away. "Annihilation" is also inappropriate in this particular instance as in life after death. The Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath was a PARTICULAR SIGN BETWEEN JEHOVAH & ISRAEL. Exodus 31:13 & Exodus 20:12 could not be clearer. "I gave THEM (ISRAEL) My Sabbaths (PLURAL), TO BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM (ISRAEL), that THEY (ISRAEL) might know that I am the Lord that sanctify THEM (ISRAEL)." Brackets here & "Israel" mine. Jehovah has the Jewish nation in mind. The Sabbath was a SPECIAL MEMORIAL SIGN between Jehovah & Israel to remind them that Jehovah had redeemed THEM (ISRAEL) from Egypt. Plain & plumb. No uncertainties here.

Again in Exodus 20:12, "It (the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath) shall be a sign between Me AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER." Nothing here about the Church of Jesus Christ!

And of course, the first recorded BREACH of the Jewish Sabbath under the Mosaic code drew the FULL PENALTY of the broken law, the STONING OF THE OFFENDER (Numbers 15:32), I'm still waiting for biblical evidence that the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath exists today for the Church of Jesus Christ BUT MINUS THE STATED VITAL PENALTIES FOR BREAKING SUCH. Numbers 15:32-36 cannot be whisked away by ELGH. If the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath is for her, then its specific regulations, restrictions & penalties are also hers.....NO burdens carried (Jerem. 17:21); NO fires to be lit (Exod.35:3); NO cooking done - barbqs over & out! (Exod.16:23); NO "shovelling of coal" (Numbers 15:32-36). Plainly, a genuine SDA individual would find it absolutely impossible to keep the Jewish Seventh-day sabbath ACCORDING TO THE SPECIFICALLY-STATED BIBLICAL REGULATIONS. The penalty of DEATH for not keeping the Jewish Sabbath has never been abrogated if people are under the Mosaic code and are keeping the seventh-day Sabbath. SDA folk have never given a clear-cut satisfactory answer as to why they IGNORE DIVINE LEGISLATION regarding the Jewish Seventh-day, viz: "...everyone that defiles it shall surely BE PUT TO DEATH: for whosoever doeth ANY WORK therein, that souls shall be cut off from among his people" (Exodus 31:13-18). Well, if I may say it, like Napoleon once said: "If you set out to take Vienna, take Vienna!" Likewise, of EGHW would take the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath, please take it all, not the bit you choose. Excellent advice.

And, too, of course, Colossians 2:13-17 makes it abundantly clear - save for EGHW - that the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath was but a SHADOW of the SUBSTANCE. The very Israeli code was directed to the Hebrew people only; it was never binding on Christians and is not binding today. As Orville said to Wilbur, "You're Wright!"

One is also fairly anxious to know - as I've stated two or three times now but without response - which disciple refered to himself (or was referred to by others) as a "Seventh-day Adventist"? Was it the Apostle Peter? Was it Andrew? Which one? And why should ANYONE refer to themselves by the singular & specific term of "Seventh-day Adventist" when, in point of fact, it was not even in existence as a religious term until the 19th-century A.D.? WHERE DID JEHOVAH GOD TELL EGHW TO CALL HERSELF A "SEVENTH-DAY" person? No sense being Capitaine Congenial here when Jehovah God has spoken concerning the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath in such explicit terms. The Seventh-day gates are certainly down, the lights tend to blink, but their train isn't coming.

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[SDAinFLA]

Well, FLA is a beautiful State, but the SDA part leaves a whole lot to be desired! Jehovah's resting on the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath wasn't because He was tired (Isaiah 40:28), but His work was completed. Not a hint, not a whisper, nothing re binding the Sabbath on humanity! JEHOVAH ALONE RESTED! The Sabbath could not have logically been given to mankind at that time because as yet man had not labored. Not only do the followers of one Ellen Gould Harmon White & her outlandish philosophies re continual Judaic practices - several of which I underscored earlier but were not responded to - wish to impose the Sabbath on everyone, they fail to offer biblical proof for such determination. If Jehovah passed His rest on to Adam, He didn't tell us about it! Where is the evidence Jehovah ORDERED Adam to keep it spotless, much more all humanity for all time? Why make an issue where God's Word doesn't?

I never stated that God made Adam keep the Sabbath...(even though I believe he did) but the Bible doesn't go into detail about that so I can't comment on it.

Why do you say that I made an issue about it. I don't worship Adam...I worship God. And the Bible says that He rested on the 7th Day.