lets be honest halloween

[Sola Scriptora]

No one agrees with Luther's sentiments. He was still not completely delivered from Rome's Church-State ideas, neither was Calvin, Zwingli and others. He didn't hate them because they were Hebrew, but becasue they were obstinant and tried to seduce people back to Jewry. What he said is and has been taken out of context to forster antiSemitism. here was a Christian trying to protect a nation from antichristian people he felt were zealots against the truth.

This is why God raised up men like Jacob Arminius, who was the true "father" of America because in Holland, he was influencial in providing freedom of religion to all, and many of his sentiments became Americas. The Pilgrim Fathers fled England to where??? Holland. THEN they went to America, and the rest is HIStory

Some would suggest following some of Luther's advice towards Islam in America if we really wanted to be safe from a terrorist threat. A religion like Islam cannot have safe passage here. Its hard not to agree with that.

[apothanein kerdos]

No one agrees with Luther's sentiments.  He was still not completely delivered from Rome's Church-State ideas, neither was Calvin, Zwingli and others.  He didn't hate them because they were Hebrew, but becasue they were obstinant and tried to seduce people back to Jewry.  What he said is and has been taken out of context to forster antiSemitism.  here was a Christian trying to protect a nation from antichristian people he felt were zealots against the truth.

This is why God raised up men like Jacob Arminius, who was the true "father" of America because in Holland, he was influencial in providing freedom of religion to all, and many of his sentiments became Americas.  The Pilgrim Fathers fled England to where???  Holland.  THEN they went to America, and the rest is HIStory

Some would suggest following some of Luther's advice towards Islam in America if we really wanted to be safe from a terrorist threat.  A religion like Islam cannot have safe passage here.  Its hard not to agree with that.

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You realize that by trying to justify Luther's claims you are agreeing with his anti-semetic view, right? And no, I think he's claims for any religion in any time are ludicrious.

[Sola Scriptora]

No I am not justifying Luther and antisemitism. I just want it in proper historical context. There's a term I used called "20th-centurizing" things. What I mean is sometimes we read things in Scripture or elsewhere and we 20th-centurize it with our 20th century spectacles. Decontextualization would be the "scholarly" word. We cannot read 20th century actions into what and why Luther said what he did. He was coming our of Rome's church state mentality, and thought it a good idea to safeguard the truth via State power. He also thought it wise to punish the AnaBaptists in similar fashion for their "errors". He was wrong of course! But he was not saying the Jews were bad becasue of hebrew descent, like Hitler and company did, but because not only did they stay in Jewry, but they also attempted to to reclaim people into it. Luther did not believe such people deserved the "freedoms" of a "Christian" nation.

Of course he was wrong, and "blew his top", for sure, though later he was supposed to have retracted these ideas.

So lets be clear and pay attention to little details. Its sad Luther said anything that lunatics could take to fuel the fires of antiSemitism, and he is to be blamed for it, but its not exactly the way some people say it was.

Lastly, I am Dispensational in viewpoint, and believe that Amillenialism, Postmillenialism were also used to contribute to AntiSemetic ideas because if the church replaced Israel completely, and God was done with the Jews, it added more fuel to the fire of persecuting them, which Rome loved to do.

Had Protestants understood that they were still beloved for the father's sake, and God still had a plan for them, one day to be fulfilled, they would surely have had said different things. False doctrine, even in eschatology can lead to the types of things Luther said. Isn't that sad? Isn't it a warning to us to make sure what we believe is correct, as far as is possible?

Edited October 31, 2004 by Sola Scriptora