MorningGlory Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 If they ban guns, all you'd hear about on the news would be mass stabbings by lunatics. ( Like this: http://abcnews.go.co...49#.UNAp8uTIW4I) Then what - ban knives? No one is advocating banning guns; only the big magazine, rapid fire weapons preferred by mass killers. Remember that two of the biggest gun rights supporters in the Democratically controlled Congress are Democrats (Harry Reid and Robert Warner). A ban on all weapons or overturning the 2nd Amendment is not going to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 Still don't get it do you? Chicago, strict gun control, out of control gun violence. Get it? Yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 Still don't get it do you? Chicago, strict gun control, out of control gun violence. Get it? Yet? the problem with this is that Chicago is not an island, so them having strict gun control and the surrounding towns and states not having strict gun control makes Chicago's meaningless. This is not really a good argument against gun control. And because America is an island therefore gun control would work...oh wait.... Gun control does not work. The anti-gun crowd have not one fact to back them up with. Just emotionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 @RunningGator I did not present the info on which you refer (Columbia). You refer info from a far left anti-gun group as evidence of gun ownership. No bias there. However, gun sales have gone through the roof since the Obama administration took power. We have had periods of time where we could not buy certain stocks of ammo, or certain models of firearms because of the incredible demand. So their "research" cannot be trusted at all. A Poll? Because people always tell pollsters the truth right? Polls are notoriously poor evidence for anything. I have presented tons of evidence in this, and the other thread on Sandy Hook. All of it ignored by the anti-gun folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 Ah, your googlefu is strong. How'evva...your math seems a little on the fuzzy side... 4 years under Obama up 2.78 million previous 4 years to this up 3.76 million How do you get this? Please show FBI murder stats as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 Whoa, I have already in this, and the other thread, as I've already stated. It is you who acts like my kid brother "why", "why", "why", without actually answering any point already given. You merely want to deflect, and waste people time. You have to count '08 as part of Obama's doing. As it was obvious to us gun owners that a hard line Marxist was going to win the election who had a track record of supporting taking away gun rights. Gun ownership goes up, murder rates are down. Gun control does not work you have no evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 18, 2012 out of 209 reporting countries, the US is tied for 109th for murder rate per year. Can you get figures that separate out drug and gang wars vs. everything else.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 Read the threads, if you have a counter argument for anything I've said, please present it. I'm not holding your hand on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo1 Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,822 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/16/1967 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not offended damo just pointing out the obvious. Gdemoss, a 45 acp with a 15 round mag is just as safe as a 38 with 6. Point 1. Point two guns arent just crime deterrants theyre corrupt government deterrents, without them theres not much stopping anyone from bringing those mass graves here. Point 3 you should double check you ballistics-a 38 special will certainly kill a man if you hit them in the right spot-but it wont take a man off his feet. And if our government falls and we face invasion, then your going to want large mags and rounds powerful enough to penetrate body armor. Hi patriot 2012 I understand were you are coming from you guys are lucky exactly yet what i am seeing in Australia gun violence is increasing as i said to ninhao you can get what you want from the black market shot gun will do the same damage as a 38 special this is what we have been discussing and i know their are Australians who have hid their guns just for this reason we have a good guard dog dogs are our deterrants i am not a door mat and will do what i can to protect my family and property when it comes to travelling in the philippines i did not have this problem gun i own is their for a reason last year an Australian was taken hostage and has not been set free still being held captive a family member who is a retired police officer had a word with my partner and mother in law and said that he will be getting me a gun for the very reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 18, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 18, 2012 A specious argument. You ignore the fact that Japan is an Island, with a xenophobic population, and a very different culture than America's. There is no comparison to be made here. America has guns. you're not going to stop that. Answer me this- does prohibition work? Consider that for your position. This case is about metal illness, not guns. The evil, and the lunatics care not one whit for your laws, they will only serve to disarm innocent people who will be victims of those who will ignore your illogical approach to this problem, of evil, not guns. Why do all the states with severe gun control laws have such horrific gun violence? What do you propose is the solution then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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