Science Disproves Evolution

[Pahu]

 

 

Pahu, on 13 Jun 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Pahu: Where is that overwhelming evidence?

 

 

 

I hope you are not saying your word walls are evidence of anything.  I've refuted many of them in this thread...they are old and tired attacks on real science.  I noticed there was a grand total of 1 citation in your outburst that was from the 21st century.  You only attack science...please try providing natural evidence of the God of the Bible, otherwise you make science and God look foolish.  God is about faith.

 

 

Science Proves God

 

When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.” [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

 

[From Reincarnation in the Bible?]

 

Your whole post falls apart at number 4.  Define nothing.

 

No-thing. The lack of anything. Since the universe had a beginning, before that beginning it did not exist. Since the universe is everything that exists, then before everything existed nothing existed and there was nothing. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause. The universe came from nothing. Therefor the cause of the universe must be supernatural. Number 4 stands.

[jerryR34]

The bible never says there was nothing.  It only says God created the heavens and the earth. 

[BoddhiBody]

 

Pahu, on 13 Jun 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Pahu: Where is that overwhelming evidence?

 

 

 

I hope you are not saying your word walls are evidence of anything.  I've refuted many of them in this thread...they are old and tired attacks on real science.  I noticed there was a grand total of 1 citation in your outburst that was from the 21st century.  You only attack science...please try providing natural evidence of the God of the Bible, otherwise you make science and God look foolish.  God is about faith.

 

 

Science Proves God

 

When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.” [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

 

[From Reincarnation in the Bible?]

 

'Stuff' didn't have to come from anywhere. Asking what comes before motion (and therefore time), then making the birth of time synonymous with 'the birth' of energy,  is ridiculous. It's even worse to assume the birth of energy equates to the birth of 'stuff'. Stuff exists, existed, always did exist, and always will exist.

 

How's that rub you?

 

All objects have gravity. Gravitation has a negative effect on positive energy, thus the energy level of the universe is a resounding mathematical zero.

 

Perfect equilibrium = eternal 'stuff'. I must admit, that's terribly perfect. Magnificently so, so I'm glad it is. I believe in that, perfection, Oneness. I just don't believe in filling gaps in understanding with dogma and stifling the search for knowledge about things.

 

You should look at the anthropic principle. Trying to second guess what might have been 'before' stuff as we know stuff, is THE single most impossible thing ever. If the universe wasn't like it is, how could you ever know what it was?

 

Science is about studying what exists, all of which is governed by the laws of inter-mass and quantum physics. Without those laws that govern everything, it wouldn't be what it is, so ... what would it be?

 

Non-visible meshes of M=EC3?

 

What about gravity that only attracts invisibleness?

 

Or how about energy being expenseless and mass being massless?

 

:/

Edited June 16, 2014 by BoddhiBody

[Guest]

'Stuff' didn't have to come from anywhere.

 

Asking what comes before motion (and therefore time), then making the birth of time synonymous with 'the birth' of energy,  is ridiculous.

 

It's even worse to assume the birth of energy equates to the birth of 'stuff'.

 

Stuff exists, existed, always did exist, and always will exist.

 

How's that rub you?

 

 

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 1 John 5:21

 

~

 

Rub Rub That Big Belly Of Stuff As Hard As You May

 

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. 

If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh,

and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,

is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: 

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

 

And Row Row That Boat As Fast As You Can

 

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

 

He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.

 

The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

 

Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

 

The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble;

 

and he knoweth them that trust in him. Nahum 1:3-7

 

What Took Six Days To Make

 

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

 

Will Be Gone

 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11

 

All Gone

 

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun;

 

for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 22:3-5

 

Gone In A Flash

 

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10-

 

And Then Dear One, What Will You Do

 

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15

 

With All The Hard Choices

 

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,

 

even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

They went out from us, but they were not of us;

 

for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:

 

but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

 

You've Made?

 

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

 

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

 

~

 

Believe

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, 

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, 

but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Joe

[coheir]

The bible never says there was nothing.  It only says God created the heavens and the earth. 

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As seen in Genesis 1:2

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

Im thinking it does say

[Pahu]

The bible never says there was nothing.  It only says God created the heavens and the earth. 

 

Would He have created the heavens and earth if they already existed? Also:

 

 

John 1:3 MSG

Everything was created through him; nothing - not one thing! - came into being without him.

 

2 Maccabees 7:28 CEBA

I beg you, child, to look at heaven and earth. See everything that is in them and know that God made these things from nothing, and created humankind in the same way.

[Pahu]

 

 

Pahu, on 13 Jun 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Pahu: Where is that overwhelming evidence?

 

 

 

I hope you are not saying your word walls are evidence of anything.  I've refuted many of them in this thread...they are old and tired attacks on real science.  I noticed there was a grand total of 1 citation in your outburst that was from the 21st century.  You only attack science...please try providing natural evidence of the God of the Bible, otherwise you make science and God look foolish.  God is about faith.

 

 

Science Proves God

 

When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.” [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

 

[From Reincarnation in the Bible?]

 

 

BoddhiBody: 'Stuff' didn't have to come from anywhere. Asking what comes before motion (and therefore time), then making the birth of time synonymous with 'the birth' of energy,  is ridiculous. It's even worse to assume the birth of energy equates to the birth of 'stuff'. Stuff exists, existed, always did exist, and always will exist.

 

How's that rub you?

 

Pahu: The universe cannot be infinitely old or all useable energy would have been lost already (entropy). This has not occurred. Therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and had a beginning and before that beginning there was nothing. Something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause but since evolutionism is a philosophy of materialism, it has to claim the universe came from nothing by some natural cause, which contradicts the facts of science.

 

Something cannot bring itself into existence.  Therefore, something brought it into existence. What brought the universe into existence?  It would have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause to it.

 

All things that came into existence were caused to exist.  Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that has always existed.

 

[BoddhiBody]

 

 

 

Pahu, on 13 Jun 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Pahu: Where is that overwhelming evidence?

 

 

 

I hope you are not saying your word walls are evidence of anything.  I've refuted many of them in this thread...they are old and tired attacks on real science.  I noticed there was a grand total of 1 citation in your outburst that was from the 21st century.  You only attack science...please try providing natural evidence of the God of the Bible, otherwise you make science and God look foolish.  God is about faith.

 

 

Science Proves God

 

When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.” [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

 

[From Reincarnation in the Bible?]

 

 

BoddhiBody: 'Stuff' didn't have to come from anywhere. Asking what comes before motion (and therefore time), then making the birth of time synonymous with 'the birth' of energy,  is ridiculous. It's even worse to assume the birth of energy equates to the birth of 'stuff'. Stuff exists, existed, always did exist, and always will exist.

 

How's that rub you?

 

Pahu: The universe cannot be infinitely old or all useable energy would have been lost already (entropy). This has not occurred. Therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and had a beginning and before that beginning there was nothing. Something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause but since evolutionism is a philosophy of materialism, it has to claim the universe came from nothing by some natural cause, which contradicts the facts of science.

 

Something cannot bring itself into existence.  Therefore, something brought it into existence. What brought the universe into existence?  It would have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause to it.

 

All things that came into existence were caused to exist.  Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that has always existed.

 

 

You don't know what you're talking about. Entropy is the deconstruction of what particular energetic construct arose, usually matter, as evidenced by heat transmission. It is the deconstruction of constructs of energy - leading to disorder.

 

Disorder does not equate to non-existence.

 

Energy cannot be 'used up'.

 

The first law of thermodynamics:

 

The total energy of an isolated system never changes. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed in form.

Edited June 17, 2014 by BoddhiBody

[Pahu]

 

 

 

 

 

Science Proves God

 

When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.” [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

 

[From Reincarnation in the Bible?]

 

 

BoddhiBody: 'Stuff' didn't have to come from anywhere. Asking what comes before motion (and therefore time), then making the birth of time synonymous with 'the birth' of energy,  is ridiculous. It's even worse to assume the birth of energy equates to the birth of 'stuff'. Stuff exists, existed, always did exist, and always will exist.

 

How's that rub you?

 

Pahu: The universe cannot be infinitely old or all useable energy would have been lost already (entropy). This has not occurred. Therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and had a beginning and before that beginning there was nothing. Something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause but since evolutionism is a philosophy of materialism, it has to claim the universe came from nothing by some natural cause, which contradicts the facts of science.

 

Something cannot bring itself into existence.  Therefore, something brought it into existence. What brought the universe into existence?  It would have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause to it.

 

All things that came into existence were caused to exist.  Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that has always existed.

 

 

You don't know what you're talking about. Entropy is the deconstruction of what particular energetic construct arose, usually matter, as evidenced by heat transmission. It is the deconstruction of constructs of energy - leading to disorder.

 

Disorder does not equate to non-existence.

 

Energy cannot be 'used up'.

 

The first law of thermodynamics:

 

The total energy of an isolated system never changes. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed in form.

 

 

 

Second Law of Thermodynamics

 

The universe is an isolated system, so according to the second law of thermodynamics, the energy in the universe available for useful work has always been decreasing. However, as one goes back in time, the energy available for work would eventually exceed the total energy in the universe, which, according to the first law of thermodynamics, remains constant. This is an impossible condition, implying the universe had a beginning.^a

A further consequence of the second law is that the universe must have begun in a more organized and complex state than it is today—not in a random, highly disorganized state as assumed by evolutionists and proponents of the big bang theory.^b

 

a . “The more orthodox scientific view is that the entropy of the universe must forever increase to its final maximum value. It has not yet reached this: we should not be thinking about it if it had. It is still increasing rapidly, and so must have had a beginning; there must have been what we may describe as a ‘creation’ at a time not infinitely remote.”  Jeans, p. 181.

b . “A final point to be made is that the second law of thermodynamics and the principle of increase in entropy have great philosophical implications. The question that arises is how did the universe get into the state of reduced entropy in the first place, since all natural processes known to us tend to increase entropy? ... The author has found that the second law tends to increase his conviction that there is a Creator who has the answer for the future destiny of man and the universe.” Gordon J. Van Wylen,Thermodynamics (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1959), p. 169.

u “The time asymmetry of the Universe is expressed by the second law of thermodynamics, that entropy increases with time as order is transformed into disorder. The mystery is not that an ordered state should become disordered but that the early Universe apparently was in a highly ordered state.”Don N. Page, “Inflation Does Not Explain Time Asymmetry,” Nature, Vol. 304, 7 July 1983, p. 39.

“There is no mechanism known as yet that would allow the Universe to begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve to its present highly-ordered state.”  Ibid., p. 40.

u “The real puzzle is why there is an arrow of time at all; that is, why the Universe is not simply a thermodynamic equilibrium at all times (except during the inevitable local fluctuations). The theory of nonequilibrium systems [such as those described by Ilya Prigogine] may tell us how such systems behave, given that there are some; but it does not explain how they come to be so common in the first place (and all oriented in the same temporal direction). This is ‘time’s greatest mystery’, and for all its merits, the theory of nonequilibrium systems does not touch it. What would touch it would be a cosmological demonstration that the Universe was bound to be in a low-entropy state after the Big Bang.” Huw Price, “Past and Future,” Nature, Vol. 348, 22 November 1990, p. 356.

 

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[gray wolf]

Sometimes it does not even make sense to say what was there before the beginning.  No one knows for sure how it happened or how God did it.