What is Satan?

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

Hi guys, since there isn't much more reponse going on in my other thread about the mortality of the soul I'd like to start a new one (please feel free to continue to post on the soul one though)

Satan, what is it? Did the "devil make you do it" anytime you sin or is that just a common excuse these days?

Scritpurally though, I would like to argue that Satan is not a supernatural being that is combating God, trying to tempt us into sin. I would suggest that the read devil is our sinful flesh.

It is important to make a distiction that Satan and the devil are not the same thing, so I'll come back later to discuss the scriptural "satan" and "devil" after a bit.

Please use scritpure to support your belief and I will of course do the same.

I do hope, however that people answer my scritpure as much as I answer yours.

Thank you.

Take care

[Trinity]

So our sinful nature was created before humans where even created? No. Satan was an angel! The most beautiful and powerfulest angel God made, even higher then Michel.

Isaiah 14

11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Does that sound like us? No he is a being. He was created before us.

[WayneB]

Scritpurally though, I would like to argue that Satan is not a supernatural being that is combating God, trying to tempt us into sin. I would suggest that the read devil is our sinful flesh.

Scripturally?

Ephesians 6

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[Orr v'emet]

Scritpurally though, I would like to argue that Satan is not a supernatural being that is combating God, trying to tempt us into sin. I would suggest that the read devil is our sinful flesh.

Matthew 4:1-11

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." But He answered and said, "It is written, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: "He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, "In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone."'Jesus said to him, "It is written again, "You shall not tempt the LORD your God."'

[WayneB]

The problem with your statement is that Jesus was perfect and the bible is clear that He was tempted by Satan so the devil couldn't be our "sinful flesh" because Jesus didn't have any!

Let me also add that if he tempted Jesus, you can bet your bottom dollar he will tempt us too!

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Great point! Not bad for an Alabama fan!

Bless you sister!

Wayne

[Orr v'emet]

The problem with your statement is that Jesus was perfect and the bible is clear that He was tempted by Satan so the devil couldn't be our "sinful flesh" because Jesus didn't have any!

Let me also add that if he tempted Jesus, you can bet your bottom dollar he will tempt us too!

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Great point! Not bad for an Alabama fan!

Bless you sister!

Wayne

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You're wrong for that!

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

Good posts, I'll get to all of them one at a time though, I don't have all day to answer so I'll just have to few out a few points right now and get back to the rest later.

Satan as literaly translated in Strong's concodrance means "advasary" it has nothing to do with a supernatural being. I'll post that later too once I get home with my strongs.

So scritpureally here we have a paradox that is quite hard to discribe with the Isaiah 14 scritpure, which I will get to as soon as I can because the context alone disproves the theory that "lucifer" is supernatural:

In Chronicals and Samual we have the same account of David numbering the fighting men:

1Chron:21

1Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the army, "Go, number Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me a report, that I may know their number."

2Sam24:

1Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go, number Israel and Judah." 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army

Oh oh, now what? Is God Satan? of course not. However when directtly translated, Satan = advasary, it makes sense that God was being the advasary to David in this context.

In any context Satan being translated advasary clears up much of the conterversy:

Please answer me this question and I will get back to your posts when I have more time.

Thanks.

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

I will also add the acount of Peter before Jesus was taken in Mark 8:32

CHrist declares to Peter "get behind me Satan for you are a hinderence"

Oh oh, now is Ptere a supernatural deveil?

We know better than that!, Satan trnaslated Advasary makes sense that at that point, PTere was being a advasary (hence "hinderence") to Jesus at that time.

Pleaews answer that post.

Take care

[borntorebel]

Trinity said,

So our sinful nature was created before humans where even created? No. Satan was an angel! The most beautiful and powerfulest angel God made, even higher then Michel.

Actually, satan was never an angel. Let's see what God says about satan;

"He that committeth sin is of the devil (diabolos - a traducer{to speak maliciously and falsely of; slander, defame, malign}); for the devil sinneth from the beginning." 1 Jn. 3:8

So we see here that the devil sinned from the very beginning. If it says "from the very beginning", that's what it means. For another witness, let's see what Jesus has to say;

"Ye are of your father the devil (same as previous verse), and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." Jn. 8:44.

Trinity said,

Isaiah 14

11  Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15  Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16  They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17  That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Actually, these verses here aren't referring to satan at all. They're referring to the king of Babylon. In v. 15 it says "Yet thou shall be brought down to hell..." This means the person being referred to here is dead. The Hebrew word here is 'sheol', which correlates with the Greek word 'hades' which means unseen or imperceptible, the place of the dead. Satan was never an angel, he wasn't a musical cherub. These are manmade ideas, not scriptural facts.

Satan (devil) is real. It isn't our flesh or a mythical being. God created satan to serve His purposes in the world.

May God's power and peace be with you,

Ron

[Orr v'emet]

Good posts, I'll get to all of them one at a time though, I don't have all day to answer so I'll just have to few out a few points right now and get back to the rest later.

Satan as literaly translated in Strong's concodrance means "advasary" it has nothing to do with a supernatural being. I'll post that later too once I get home with my strongs.

So scritpureally here we have a paradox that is quite hard to discribe with the Isaiah 14 scritpure, which I will get to as soon as I can because the context alone disproves the theory that "lucifer" is supernatural:

In Chronicals and Samual we have the same account of David numbering the fighting men:

1Chron:21

1Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the army, "Go, number Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me a report, that I may know their number."

2Sam24:

1Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go, number Israel and Judah." 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army

Oh oh, now what? Is God Satan? of course not. However when directtly translated, Satan = advasary, it makes sense that God was being the advasary to David in this context.

In any context Satan being translated advasary clears up much of the conterversy:

Please answer me this question and I will get back to your posts when I have more time.

Thanks.

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So Jesus was being tempted by whom exactly...in your opinion?