Good News in a Scary Situation

[OneAccord]

Actually the number of Iraqi deaths as of Feb. 2004 was more like 10000. Not to minimize that but far more died under Saddam and co. and the number would have continued to rise in the years to come if Saddam and sons were left in power. As a matter of fact, Saddam is responcible for killing more muslims that anyone else in current history. Saddam paid big money for suicide bombers (murderers) to take out innocent Israeli citizens.

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The figure of 100,000 is estimated by the Lancet journal and includes not just civilians but Iraqi military.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/29/62614/814

The Iraq Body Count site makes a much more consersative estimate of civilian only deaths at about 16,000:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

The IraqBody Count site has always stated that their numbers are far below the actual becasue a] they are only counting civilians and b] they are only counting those absolutely confirmed by legitimate methods.

Here's the IraqBodyCount response to the Lancet's figures of 100,000:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/

Regardless of Iraqi casualty numbers, which are NOT being reported by our press, if you haven't noticed, I would suggest that we have far exceeded our eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth revenge and retaliation for 9/11.

[IslandRose]

Regardless of Iraqi casualty numbers, which are NOT being reported by our press, if you haven't noticed, I would suggest that we have far exceeded our eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth revenge and retaliation for 9/11.

Except that this is not about revenge. It is about making the world safer for our children. And yes, I really believe that.

[OneAccord]

Except that this is not about revenge. It is about making the world safer for our children. And yes, I really believe that.

We certainly aren't making it any safer for the Iraqi children. I am always alarmed at the pro-life stand that every abortion is murder but bombing villages and imposing sanctions that kill children is different. If you're pro-life then you should be pro-life all the way. Don't stop at the womb, all those Iraqi children have a right to life. This is sheer hypocrisy.

[Catsmeow]

My only shame and disgrace was the Abu Grabe where men were stripped and humiliated. I found it disgusting and horrific.

There are any wonderful men in the middle east that treat the people with kindness and endeaveor to do all possible to reconsitute that country to it's once former glory.

[dgolvach]

We certainly aren't making it any safer for the Iraqi children. I am always alarmed at the pro-life stand that every abortion is murder but bombing villages and imposing sanctions that kill children is different. If you're pro-life then you should be pro-life all the way. Don't stop at the womb, all those Iraqi children have a right to life. This is sheer hypocrisy.

Why don't you do some research and find out about how many children died under Saddam. The ONLY reason children have died in Iraq is Saddam Hussain. Sometimes it takes wars to get rid of murderous dictators and as all of history has shown, its not always just the soldiers who die. Many Many Many more children will now live because of the action we took in Iraq.

[dgolvach]

95,000 children dead in southern Sudan

Khartoum, Sudan, Jun. 17 (UPI) -- UNICEF described as "most dramatic in the world" the situation in southern Sudan where it said 95,000 children died in 2003 from lack of health care.

A statement by the U.N. Children's Fund issued in Nairobi Wednesday on the occasion of African Child Day said, "After 21 years of war, the situation in southern Sudan is considered the worst on an international scale with regard to the living conditions of women and children."

It described the conditions of women and children as "most shocking," mostly due to the war that spread death, poverty, famine, disease and backwardness.

The statement said that one out of nine women dies during pregnancy or delivery and only 1 percent of girls complete elementary education.

If we were to conduct a military operation in Sudan, some children would get caught in the crossfire for sure. Its a sad horrible fact about war but sometimes you save more by ending a brutal regime. Saving the most you can is the best we will ever be able to do. The terrorists who shot those kids down in Russia were hiding behind them. Thats what terrorists do. Either you fight them or you let them have their way and they don't give a rat's(bleep) about your kids, my kids or any elses kids and they would kill 10 million kids if it helped their cause. If we dont fight(stop) them and stop blaming ourselves for everything, they just might someday soon.

[OneAccord]

Its a sad horrible fact about war but sometimes you save more by ending a brutal regime.

It seems that we are rather selective about which brutal regimes we take on. We go ones most advantageous to us, say oil and corporate interests.

The US has in the past had no qualms about propping up brutal dictators as well, at the expense of the lives of countless children, as we saw over and over in Central and South America throughout the 70s and 80s, an era that most have conveniently forgotten or were never exposed to in the first place because of a media black-out on these events.

[Guest philws]

our sudanese brethren do not qualify for our blood and treasure because they are not muslims and control no oil. besides, they are "merely" Christians.

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[Ovedya]

I sense cynicism somewhere around here.

Can't quite put my finger on it, though............

[dgolvach]

our sudanese brethren do not qualify for our blood and treasure because they are not muslims and control no oil. besides, they are "merely" Christians.

Don't hold your breath for the UN or France to do anything about it. We can't fight every war at once. As for oil, your right. Oil is a factor. Consider what would happen to hundreds of millions world wide if the free flow of oil were to be stopped all at once. Think about it. Think about all of the daily things you and everyone else depend on that rely on oil being available. I would like this to change but it will take some time. (years)