Guest ninhao Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. My current understanding of this scripture is that Jesus was alluding to how the 70 disciples were casting out demons, and hence causing satan to leave quickly, during their travels. Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. I have wondered though if Jesus was again speaking with more than one meaning in mind. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Rev 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Our Lord has a habit of being supremely factual and allegorical and I wonder if this is another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2thebible Posted April 6, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 538 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/14/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2013 yeah not to many Christians believe satan is a real person, we see in Mathew he met with Jesus and tempted him, we see he can talk, and we are told he can manifest himself to appear as an angel of light, we see he has also appeared as a serpent in the garden seems he has the ability to take on a variety of forms if the need be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted April 6, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2013 Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2013 Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. Exactly.He wants to escort us to safety.He is so awesome.My Faithful Father. Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. The fact that satan still has access to the Father's throne confuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2013 opportunity to plug my avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2013 That is something only God knows and one day when we will be able to ask the Father - we may not care we will be too excited to be with Jesus to care about 'him'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. Exactly.He wants to escort us to safety.He is so awesome.My Faithful Father. Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. The fact that satan still has access to the Father's throne confuses me. If I may offer the reason I have been told is that satan has limited acces to the Father in which he presents his accuasations about humankind , his full title is ha~satan which means ...accuser of the brethren.. I still learning this stuff and still not sure what to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. My current understanding of this scripture is that Jesus was alluding to how the 70 disciples were casting out demons, and hence causing satan to leave quickly, during their travels. Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. I have wondered though if Jesus was again speaking with more than one meaning in mind. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Rev 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Our Lord has a habit of being supremely factual and allegorical and I wonder if this is another time. It is another time. Read Eze chapter 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2013 Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. Exactly.He wants to escort us to safety.He is so awesome.My Faithful Father. Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. The fact that satan still has access to the Father's throne confuses me. If I may offer the reason I have been told is that satan has limited acces to the Father in which he presents his accuasations about humankind , his full title is ha~satan which means ...accuser of the brethren.. I still learning this stuff and still not sure what to believe Always believe the Word, Tami, and you can't go wrong. Welcome to Worthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2thebible Posted April 7, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 538 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/14/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2013 Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints. In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation. There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort. I'm afriad the scripture your refering to in Revelations about the war in heaven is written in past tense, it has already occured and that satan is already stuck here on earth, all scripture refering to the fall is in past tense.................its nolonger a future event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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