Torah Calendar

[gnomonist]

Interesting comments psalmsamuel, but I'm not sure the point you're making or how some of those comments relate to what I stated in the OP (such as comet ISON).

 

The idea of the Torah calendar is defining a day (sunset to sunset). Defining the month (the first visible crescent from Israel), and the determination of the start of the year (by the Barley in the land of Israel). Then we also count days (Sabbaths) and years in sabbatical years and Jubilees.

 

Actually, so easy a child could do it, but I am amazed at the conflict that goes on over the calendar. The Lord made "big clock hands" so-to-speak in the sky so we just read the time the way the bible states.

 

 

December 17, 7 B.C. Christ was Born

 

I would have to disagree with that date.  I can see where you are coming from regarding the winter solstice, but he was not really born then, but more on a feast day, namely in the autumn. But as you pointed out, that time of year is the pagan Saturnilia which got Christianized.

 

 

The Beginning of the 7th Hour of the Day is when the Hemispherium Sundial chart on the website you quote points to the Heavens ... Comet ISON Reaches Perihelion at about 7 PM UTC ... The Hemispherium Sundial in connected to a more correct Hebrew prediction may give us the exact date and hour of COMET ISON'S PERIHELION.

 

I don't think that the hemispherium sundial is that mysterious as your statement makes it sound. The point (called a nodus) in the center of the bowl makes a shadow that is an exact opposite of the sun's path in the heavens.  The start of the seventh hour is when the sun is at it's highest (solar noon).  We know that as due south, and also the sun's highest altitude of the day. The circular chart in the Torah calendar is merely imitating a clock-like face, and the direction the indicator points is not necessarily indicative of the direction of the sun. It does not represent a hemispherium.  As a matter of fact, the seventh hour is actually the lowest point of that day's path of the sun in a hemispherium sundial and is directionally downward. That's because the shadow is the opposite of the sun, and is in fact pointing toward the direction the sun is at midnight.

 

Since that's how they reckoned time back then, Christ clearly defined what he meant by a day (12 hours in a day), and later used that to express the precise statement in Matthew 12:40 "three days and three nights", i.e. 72 hours.

 

 

[psalmsamuel]

Interesting comments psalmsamuel, but I'm not sure the point you're making or how some of those comments relate to what I stated in the OP (such as comet ISON).

 

The idea of the Torah calendar is defining a day (sunset to sunset). Defining the month (the first visible crescent from Israel), and the determination of the start of the year (by the Barley in the land of Israel). Then we also count days (Sabbaths) and years in sabbatical years and Jubilees.

 

Actually, so easy a child could do it, but I am amazed at the conflict that goes on over the calendar. The Lord made "big clock hands" so-to-speak in the sky so we just read the time the way the bible states.

 

 

December 17, 7 B.C. Christ was Born

 

I would have to disagree with that date.  I can see where you are coming from regarding the winter solstice, but he was not really born then, but more on a feast day, namely in the autumn. But as you pointed out, that time of year is the pagan Saturnilia which got Christianized.

 

LEVITICUS 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,

LEVITICUS 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

LEVITICUS 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

 

The "Sabbatical and Jubilee" observances did not originate in Isreal, they originated with Moses in the Wilderness, they were receiving Mana from heaven so they could not of been harvesting barley.  The 10th Day of the Seventh Month, is closest to the Solstice of June 21.  This is as you say what the "Bible States", this at least indicated the first Sabbatical Observances began and ended on July 10, spiritual figures closes to the Solstice of June 21.

 

This would of likely continued with the Jewish People, maybe the Jewish People began to observe the barley harvest maybe not, the fact is when Christ was Born it was tantamount to re-establishing the Sabbatical Observances, this coincided with the Star of Bethlehem, which just happens to be closes to the Solstice of December 21.  If Moses and Jesus Christ are as important to the Jewish Community and this is what the "Bible States" as you say, then Moses and Jesus Christ would of been the origination points for the Sabbatical and Jubilee observances, there isn't really any debate about it.  (One Relative Solstice became More Important then the Other one).

 

 

December 17, 7 B.C. Christ was Born

 

I would have to disagree with that date.  I can see where you are coming from regarding the winter solstice, but he was not really born then, but more on a feast day, namely in the autumn. But as you pointed out, that time of year is the pagan Saturnilia which got Christianized.

 

Augustus is known to have taken a census of Roman citizens at least three times, in 28 BC, 8 BC, and 14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

 

Saturn's Storm Cycle is every 28.5 Years, 28 B.C. a date when the Roman's Took their Census.  28 A.D. on the other hand would be at the end of the 5th Sabbatical Set that began on 7 B.C. and ended in 28 A.D.  The Number 5 identifies with atonement, at the end of the 5th Sabbatical Set Jesus Christ was Crucified, in the book of revelations the day of judgment is given 5 Months.  Jewish people maintained the gospel, obviously there is a connection being made, and evidence to support this conclusion.  Maybe history is reporting the Census taken in 8 B.C. incorrectly, maybe when the Romans saw the Star of Bethlehem they began to take the Census.  If Herald Killed all the Babies in Jerusalem and he died in 4 B.C., then He would of been attempting to Kill all the babies aged 3 and under, if Jesus Christ was born in 7 B.C., this makes perfect logical sense, and we see evidence to support this conclusion.  Sadly there is little to no evidence of the barley harvest usurping the establishment of Moses or Christ with the Sabbaths or Jubilee Years, according to the bible.

 

December 17, 7 B.C. has a clear connection by implication of the solstice for Christ emphasis that began with Mose's June Solstice, beginning of Capricorn according to the Romans by their holiday and its alluding to the Planet Saturn's Storm cycle in a series of events, that can be connected to their observance of "Saturnilia".

 

Comet ISON

 

November 28, 2013 Perihelion.  28 B.C. Roman Census. 28 A.D. Crucifixion.  ... ... If Comet ISON is the identifier for the Cosmic Shift and the 5 Months of revelation, then it should serve as a partial authenticator by the rising of the sun on the day the cosmic shift begins, of what location in the earth identifies with the sabbatical of this day.  Isreal is not it ... this was entirely theoretical but I just threw this out there.

 

 

The Beginning of the 7th Hour of the Day is when the Hemispherium Sundial chart on the website you quote points to the Heavens ... Comet ISON Reaches Perihelion at about 7 PM UTC ... The Hemispherium Sundial in connected to a more correct Hebrew prediction may give us the exact date and hour of COMET ISON'S PERIHELION.

 

I don't think that the hemispherium sundial is that mysterious as your statement makes it sound. The point (called a nodus) in the center of the bowl makes a shadow that is an exact opposite of the sun's path in the heavens.  The start of the seventh hour is when the sun is at it's highest (solar noon).  We know that as due south, and also the sun's highest altitude of the day. The circular chart in the Torah calendar is merely imitating a clock-like face, and the direction the indicator points is not necessarily indicative of the direction of the sun. It does not represent a hemispherium.  As a matter of fact, the seventh hour is actually the lowest point of that day's path of the sun in a hemispherium sundial and is directionally downward. That's because the shadow is the opposite of the sun, and is in fact pointing toward the direction the sun is at midnight.

 

Since that's how they reckoned time back then, Christ clearly defined what he meant by a day (12 hours in a day), and later used that to express the precise statement in Matthew 12:40 "three days and three nights", i.e. 72 hours.

 

 

 

This is an "Astrolab", it has more information about the earth's motion in space, then the sundial or hemispherium.  A much simpler version of this is being alluded to in the gospel, but we can view this as essentially it.  The top half would indicate "Day Light Hours", the right corner the Solstice/Equinox (which all seem to occur in the 3rd Week of the Month), and the left corner would only indicate TAURUS ---*

 

Taurus is 40 Degrees of the Precessional Cycle, and 40 Degrees of the Ecliptic Per Year. 

40 x 9 = 360 Degrees, one Precessional Cycle or 1 Year.

 

We would see Nine Nodes in the right corner, this day length would indicate the passing of a year connected to the Length of Taurus. When this Dial struck Number 1 of the Taurus Indicator the Constellation Taurus would just be beginning, the year could be divided into 9 Segments.  How could this bleed into precession?  (40 x 72 = 2880, it takes 2880 Cycles of TAURUS to equal 1 Precessional Degree, this number "28" is connected to the Roman Census of 28 B.C. the Crucifixion of Christ and the simple Jewish Astrolab about 2000 years ago.)  Jesus ended up being Crucified at the beginning of Taurus, and his lifespan of Jesus Christ was roughly equilavent to a half of 1 Precessional Degree which is 36 years ... 7 B.C. to 28 A.D. equals 35 years.

 

Taurus (♉) is the second astrological sign in the Zodiac. It spans the 30-60th degree of the zodiac, between 27.25 and 54.75 degree of celestial longitude, which the Sun transits this area on average between April 20 to May 20 each year. In Sidereal astrology, the sun currently transits the constellation of Taurus from May 16th to June 15th (approximately). Individuals born during these dates, depending on which system of astrology they subscribe to, may be called Taureans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_%28astrology%29

 

 

Taurus is given an area of about 28 Degrees of the Celestial Longitude, and its about 40 Degrees along the Ecliptic.  We are ofcourse referring to the Ecliptic. The Tropical Zodiac today has this assigned to April 21 (article is misquoted), and the Sidreal Today to May 13th (article is misquoted).  The Tropical Zodiac is more accurate as it follows the sun ... It would take 648 Cycles of Taurus along the Ecliptic to produce 1 Processional Degree which occurs every 72 Years, I put the previous statement in parenthesis as it is erroneous but it does demonstrate a relationship.

 

From a different perspective. 72 Hours is about 3 Days and 3 Nights, which is about 1 of Taurus's 30 Days.  If we view Taurus not as degrees along the Ecliptic But as Physical Days then it would take 864 Cycles of Taurus's 30 Days to equal 1 Precessional Degree.

 

(Christ was born at the beginning of Capricorn the Heavenly Goat, and Christ was Crucified at Taurus the Earthly Goat, we see irrefutable evidence to support  this conclusion ... Cough Cough ... Moses was connected to Taurus by the "Age of Taurus - Earth Precessional Tilt" at that time, Christ was connected to Taurus by his Crucifixion when this began according to the Ecliptic which is the Tropical Zodiac 2000 years ago, which would of been in April, at the end of time the known universe will be Cosmic Shifted so there doesn't have to be a clear connection to Taurus, except to say that the Cosmic Shift will end in Taurus on April 30, 2014 if it begins November 28, 2013 at Comet ISON's perihelion 153 days later. The Antichrist is and he is not, Comet ISON has taken presidence in this Taurus relationship as heaven is being separated, its an supporting argument)

Edited June 8, 2013 by psalmsamuel

[gnomonist]

I'm just going to pick one thing you stated, as most of what you say I'm not grasping your point at all.  Here's an example:

 

 

The "Sabbatical and Jubilee" observances did not originate in Isreal, they originated with Moses in the Wilderness, they were receiving Mana from heaven so they could not of been harvesting barley.  The 10th Day of the Seventh Month, is closest to the Solstice of June 21.  This is as you say what the "Bible States", this at least indicated the first Sabbatical Observances began and ended on July 10, spiritual figures closes to the Solstice of June 21.

 

What do you mean July 10?  The day of Atonement, then or now was nowhere near July 10.  Atonement is an autumn feast.

 

While I am familiar with God's Word in the stars, and also the ages (such as Taurus, Aries, Pisces, etc) due to the precession of the equinoxes, the calendar of the Lord starts the year with the ripening barley, at the new moon near the vernal equinox.  That by definition was the first month (our March-April).  The seasons are based on a tropical year, which takes precession into account because it's the solar (not stellar) positions that matter for growth and harvesting.

 

Also, I see a potpourri of dates and calendars in your figuring.  For example, the Gregorian, Julian or whatever solar calendar has nothing to do with the biblical calendar, and as such should not use dates such as "November 28" or "28AD" in numerical calculations because these dates as we know them means nothing with a different biblical calendar.  These numbers work on the calendar the world now uses, but are different on a biblical calendar and the numbers lose their meanings because in that calendar I can assure you the number 28 is not involved. 

[RevelationWriter]

- Please forgive the Ignorance of my question; but I am interested.

 

You said the Solar Calendar has nothing to do with the biblical calendar.

Then does the Lunar Calendar have something to do with the biblical calendar?

 

Thanks.