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There's a huge difference between Judgment and God's wrath. Jeremiah went through God's Judgment on Judah. Daniel went through God's Judgment on Judah too. Moses, Joshua, and Caleb all endured the Judgment of God on Israel.

So what do you think the differences is in judgment and wrath?You gave me examples above of judgment.

Judgment is when God seeks and desires to be merciful to an individual or an entire nation. He allows certain events to happen and may even cause them so as to get the individual or Nations attention. The deisred result si that they return to the Lord. The Lord practically begged Israel and Judah to return to him for many hundreds of years before unleashing Judgment upon them with the desired effect being their eventual return to Him through a remnant.

Wrath on the other hand leaves no room for mercy or garce. It is when God has absolutely had enough and he isn't holding back the fullness of His Righteous Anger and Just Nature. Believers are not appointed unto Wrath because our Wrath has already been meted out on Jesus.

Believers can under go Judgement and they do this all the time.

As an example, have you ever done something to grieve the Holy Spirit and he has gone silent for a while or even flat out sinned and almost gone out of your mind with a lack of peace until you repented? That's Judgment and God uses it to get our attention with the ultimate goal being Grace.

Heb 12:6

For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.

Heb 12:7

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?

Heb 12:8

But if you be without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are you illegitimate children, and not sons.

God always metes out Judgment with an eye towards Mercy and Grace, always Biblically speaking. I believe that because of our modern vocabulary we've lost a sense for what true Judgment really is. God even asks us to Judge within the Body. Paul speaks of using Judgment to caste out one to satan for chastisment so as to restore the individual. God also asks us to Judge ourselves according to His Word so that we will remain in a close relationship with Him set apart and Holy. We here Judgment and we have a viceral reaction because of what it means in terms of our culture. It also frightens us but if you really think about it God uses Judgment in small ways to keep us on course every day.

I feel that when we reach the tribulation,which could be coming sooner than we think, God will pour out his wrath to the nation.I will not be here.Yes,He will leave no room for mercy and grace.It is not judgment but wrath.You are thinking that the recent earthquakes are God's judgment.Those events will seem like a walk in the park compared to the tribulation.

Let's be real clear though. What happens in the Tribulation is not Wrath. it is merely a time of Great Trouble. Wrath leads to consummation.

I wonder why folks think they won't see Tribulation.

There are Saint's all around the world right now enduring Tribulation. I can think of one clear example in Pastor Abideen in Iran, but there are many millions. Christians are currently enduring Tribulation in Egypt for example. What makes us think that we will escape trouble?


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I find it funny that your evidence that were in judgement is an idiotic cartoon. I'm sorry but unless I'm forced to watch it I don't see that as judgement. Maybe as something that brings judgement...

Here's my point brother;

Lu 12:54

¶ And he said also to the people, When you see a cloud rise out of the west, immediately you say, There comes a shower; and so it is.

Lu 12:55

And when you see the south wind blow, you say, There will be heat; and it comes to pass.

Lu 12:56

You hypocrites, you can discern the appearance of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?

Lu 12:57

Yea, and why even of yourselves judge you not what is right?

It's time to discern the times. (Not that you're a hypocrite) It's time to Wake Up!


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I agree we need to discern the times this very well maybe a sign of them-but I don't see it as judgement is what I'm saying


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I agree we need to discern the times this very well maybe a sign of them-but I don't see it as judgement is what I'm saying

 

 

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There's a huge difference between Judgment and God's wrath. Jeremiah went through God's Judgment on Judah. Daniel went through God's Judgment on Judah too. Moses, Joshua, and Caleb all endured the Judgment of God on Israel.

So what do you think the differences is in judgment and wrath?You gave me examples above of judgment.

 

Judgment is when God seeks and desires to be merciful to an individual or an entire nation. He allows certain events to happen and may even cause them so as to get the individual or Nations attention. The deisred result si that they return to the Lord. The Lord practically begged Israel and Judah to return to him for many hundreds of years before unleashing Judgment upon them with the desired effect being their eventual return to Him through a remnant.

Wrath on the other hand leaves no room for mercy or garce. It is when God has absolutely had enough and he isn't holding back the fullness of His Righteous Anger and Just Nature. Believers are not appointed unto Wrath because our Wrath has already been meted out on Jesus.

Believers can under go Judgement and they do this all the time.

As an example, have you ever done something to grieve the Holy Spirit and he has gone silent for a while or even flat out sinned and almost gone out of your mind with a lack of peace until you repented? That's Judgment and God uses it to get our attention with the ultimate goal being Grace.

Heb 12:6

For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.

Heb 12:7

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?

Heb 12:8

But if you be without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are you illegitimate children, and not sons.

God always metes out Judgment with an eye towards Mercy and Grace, always Biblically speaking. I believe that because of our modern vocabulary we've lost a sense for what true Judgment really is. God even asks us to Judge within the Body. Paul speaks of using Judgment to caste out one to satan for chastisment so as to restore the individual. God also asks us to Judge ourselves according to His Word so that we will remain in a close relationship with Him set apart and Holy. We here Judgment and we have a viceral reaction because of what it means in terms of our culture. It also frightens us but if you really think about it God uses Judgment in small ways to keep us on course every day.

 

I feel that when we reach the tribulation,which could be coming sooner than we think, God will pour out his wrath to the nation.I will not be here.Yes,He will leave no room for mercy and grace.It is not judgment but wrath.You are thinking that the recent earthquakes are God's judgment.Those events will seem like a walk in the park compared to the tribulation.

 

Let's be real clear though. What happens in the Tribulation is not Wrath. it is merely a time of Great Trouble. Wrath leads to consummation.

I wonder why folks think they won't see Tribulation.

There are Saint's all around the world right now enduring Tribulation. I can think of one clear example in Pastor Abideen in Iran, but there are many millions. Christians are currently enduring Tribulation in Egypt for example. What makes us think that we will escape trouble?

 

I see the Tribulation as God's Wrath.I see some others events on this earth now as possible judgment but not wrath.Wrath is alot worse which is what we will see during the Tribulation.

 


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Please someone explain to me again how it is that we can't possibly be under Judgment.

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1356901

 

So, another stupid Cartoon got the market.

With a Boy hero who changed to a Girl. What's the Problem? This is reality.


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Please someone explain to me again how it is that we can't possibly be under Judgment.

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1356901

 

So, another stupid Cartoon got the market.

With a Boy hero who changed to a Girl. What's the Problem? This is reality.

 

 

You do not think it is a problem because you are a transvestite.Many on this board would disagree. :huh:


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You do not think it is a problem because you are a transvestite.Many on this board would disagree. :huh:

 

 

I'm not a transvestite, I was a transsexual. After my sex Change surgery/Transition, I'm a normal man with a not normal past.

There is a difference between a transsexual and a transvestite. Take a look at the Internet.


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You do not think it is a problem because you are a transvestite.Many on this board would disagree. :huh:

 

 

I'm not a transvestite, I was a transsexual. After my sex Change surgery/Transition, I'm a normal man with a not normal past.

There is a difference between a transsexual and a transvestite. Take a look at the Internet.

 

Right,I am sorry for the mistake.Doesn't matter.Either one are not Biblical.Are you a Christian or have you ever been a Christian?


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You do not think it is a problem because you are a transvestite.Many on this board would disagree. :huh:

 

 

I'm not a transvestite, I was a transsexual. After my sex Change surgery/Transition, I'm a normal man with a not normal past.

There is a difference between a transsexual and a transvestite. Take a look at the Internet.

 

 

 

Are you saying that you used to be a woman and now you are a man?

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