young creation?

[Lekcit]

SA,

Since I am in no way affiliated with AiG, other than they have shown me a lot of information, I cannot give the answer to your question. If you feel that their information is somehow flawed, the best thing I can suggest is to go to their site and email some of them. Many of them were secular scientists and were unable to make sense of much of what they saw when viewed through the lens of "millions of years" so they evaluated and found that things began to make sense when viewed through the Biblical lens. I especially would recommend that you email Ken Ham, Dr Gary Parker (whom I've met personally many years ago), and Dr Jonathan Sarfati.

As to your question Nebula, I'm sorry you couldn't understand the first article you went to, did you try the second or third or any of the others. Surely you don't expect to gain all knowledge on a subject based on what you read in one single article, do you? What would happen if our doctors did that I wonder...

Melo, no numbers do not necessarily imply a 24 hour period but that was not the point. My point, which I've made several times now, is that when the word yom is used in conjunction with a number, in Hebrew, it always means a literal day. I never said that just because the days were numbered that they were literal. Only that because yom was used in conjunction with a number it was a literal day.

In Him.

[Bread_of_Life]

If you feel that their information is somehow flawed, the best thing I can suggest is to go to their site and email some of them.

I'm afraid I've been there and done that, with the ICR anyhow!

[Lekcit]

Well, as you already know, ICR is definitely NOT AiG. I am not as familiar with ICR as I am with AiG but I do know that the folks at AiG are more than willing to respond in the best way possible to any email question that you send provided that it is cordial in nature and shows a legitimate desire to learn more. If you go to them with accusations and preconceptions, I suspect you will not get the answers you seek but if you show that you just want to know they should respond in kind. I cannot speak with any knowledge; however, about ICR.

Remember, openness is the key.

In Him.

[nebula]

Genesis 1:1 - God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 - The Spirit of God is hovering over the waters. What waters? When were the waters created?

Gen. 1:3-5 - God creates light and calls it 'day' and the darkness 'night.'

Gen. 1:6-8 - God separates the water and creates and expanse between them and calls it 'sky.' Here it is again - when were the waters ever created???

Gen. 1:9-13 - God creates land and grows vegetation on it.

Gen. 1:14-19 - God creates "lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night." - What about the light created in day 1? Was not that light already the day - what's going on here???

[Lekcit]

Now again, Fog, I need to take issue with your last statement. Do you believe that God inspired the writers of the Bible or is it that they looked around and made everything up because they wanted a nifty creation story like the other cultures? Which is it? Either God inspired the WHOLE Bible or none of it. And if He inspired it, then we must take the words at face value or not at all. That's the problem with trying to make the Bible jive with millions of years. We degrade our stance on Biblical authority and the secular world says, "If you can insert personal opinion into 6 days, then how do we know that the story of the Gospel should be taken at face value..." It is a dangerous slippery, slope which is part of the reason why society is in the condition it is in now. No one is willing to take a stand on Biblical authority.

Just think about it.

In Him.

[Lekcit]

So that answers my question. You don't believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Then my conversation with you is done. I cannot argue something from a Biblical perspective when they don't even believe the Bible is true.

In Him.

[nebula]

Lekcit -

I am curious as to how you would answer my questions.

[Lekcit]

Nebula,

What questions do you have? I'll do my best to answer them.

In Him.

[nebula]

These ones I posted on the previous page:

Genesis 1:1 - God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 - The Spirit of God is hovering over the waters. What waters? When were the waters created?

Insert added: Has anyone noticed that this is before Day 1?

Gen. 1:3-5 - God creates light and calls it 'day' and the darkness 'night.'

Gen. 1:6-8 - God separates the water and creates and expanse between them and calls it 'sky.' Here it is again - when were the waters ever created???

Gen. 1:9-13 - God creates land and grows vegetation on it.

Gen. 1:14-19 - God creates "lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night." - What about the light created in day 1? Was not that light already the day - what's going on here???

[JLW001]

These ones I posted on the previous page:

Genesis 1:1 - God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 - The Spirit of God is hovering over the waters. What waters? When were the waters created?

Insert added: Has anyone noticed that this is before Day 1?

Gen. 1:3-5 - God creates light and calls it 'day' and the darkness 'night.'

Gen. 1:6-8 - God separates the water and creates and expanse between them and calls it 'sky.' Here it is again - when were the waters ever created???

Gen. 1:9-13 - God creates land and grows vegetation on it.

Gen. 1:14-19 - God creates "lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night." - What about the light created in day 1? Was not that light already the day - what's going on here???

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Gen 1:1 God created

Gen 1:2 I think when Moses wrote waters here he was trying to explain space in a way that he could understand. Waters of the deep = The blackness of space.

Gen 1:3-5 God created the stars and what we call light. The stream of photons in an electromagnetic wave. He created the darkness the absence of the electromagnetic wave. You must have light before you can have the absence of it.

Gen 1:6-8 This kinda defines what God called waters in verse 2. The blackness of space that has some "ether" or other thing that we can't discern within it.

Gen 1:14-19 God created the moon and the sun.

This is just how I have always thought about it. That doesn't mean its right, but it does offer an explanation. God doesn't tell us all the secrets of the pghysical world within the Bible, but he does provide us with what we need spiritually.

I look forward to knowing the mysteries of the physical world. After all, its God's creation and is beautiful. I don't think that God is bound by time, so whether he made the universe in 7 days or within 15 billion years it doesn't really matter. With God, a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. I don't think this is a conversion factor as much as it is a way of saying that God is not bound by time. It may appear to us like the universe is billions of years old.

God IS. He says that His name is, "I Am". That means he lives in what we call the present tense. He always was and is, and will always be. He created time for us, it is fundamental to His physical universe.

Probably more than you asked for, but.....