Progressivism = Nazism

[wonby1]

(eyes roll)  I know, I know, we have all heard it before and thought such rhetoric to be over the top and baseless.  I also had these inclinations, that is, before I started learning about the Third Reich.  Try some of the quotes form Nazi's on for size.

 

"We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living.  The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all.  Therefore, we demand and end to power of financial interest.  We demand profit sharing in big business.  We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.  We demand the greatest consideration of small business in the purchases of the national state, and municipal governments in order to make possible to every capable industrious citizen attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all around enlargement of our system of public education.  We demand education of government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor - by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth.  We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the Common Good before the individual good.

- National Socialist Party

 

"Societies needs come before the individuals"

- Hitler

 

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemingly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and prosperity instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy their system under all costs."

- Hitler

 

"As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nations goods."

- Joseph Goebbels

 

"This year will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

- Hitler

 

"Gold is not necessary, I have no interest in gold.  We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it."

- Hitler.

 

"Believe me, National Socialism would be worth nothing if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule over the whole world for at least one to two thousand years."

- Hitler

 

"The more we are doing to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it."

- Joseph Mengele

 

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"

- Hitler

 

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it.  Through clever and constant applications of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and vise versa, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

- Hitler

 

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion.  Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good?  The Mohammedian religion too would have much more compatible to us than Christianity.  Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

- Hitler

 

These quotes sound frighteningly similar to things we hear today.  However, I have much, much more than this to drive home my point.  A German Historian by the name of Gotz Aly wrote a book called, "Hitler's Beneficiaries".  In the book the historian Aly studied the relationship between government largeness and corruption.  Most people don't realize that the Nazi government was very progressive.  They taxed most of the wealth that the top 4% had in Germany, and simply took from Jews as they killed them.  They also used plunder from wars abroad and threw all of this money at their base, the average working German.  In fact, Germans had the highest quality of life of anyone in Europe, and arguably in the US.  Food was always plentiful in Germany, even up until 1945.  The people had free health care, education, retirement etc.  Aly concluded that the biggest reason that the Nazis could carry out a genocide was, the progressive state was buying their support off of theft from those abroad.  As the Bible indicated, the love of money is the root of all evil.  The Nazi model is but one example.

 

http://llco.org/hitlers-beneficiaries-2005-by-gotz-aly/

 

But can we throw progressives of today under the bus with the Nazi regime?  Can we label today's progressives as genocidal warmongers as well?  Sure the Nazis were modern day progressives in terms of economic outlooks, but are they the monsters that create death camps?

 

Consider this, the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world.  It also recently had wars going on in three different countries and is currently attempting one in Syria.  Also consider abortion.  The US has killed far more unborn children than all the Jews combined that died in Nazi Germany.  Considering these things, are the progressives in the US that much better?  Today we have abortions doctors sitting around with jars full of babies feet on their desks.  How much better exactly are we than the Nazi regime?

 

Of course, progressives of today get their money by stealing from future generations, as well as the top 1%.  They then throw their money at the base needed to maintain power, just like the Nazi model showed us it could be done.  In fact, the loyalty generated by this winning formula is so strong, people are willing to overlook the most horrific of deeds.  Now Americans are willing to overlook that the government spies on them at will with impunity, and even can jail them without due process under the NDAA.  They are willing to overlook the extermination of millions of unborn children with next to no regulation.  The payoff is just too luring to decline.

 

But the similarities between Nazis and modern day progressives does not end there.  Interestingly, the Nazi's would have given PETA a run for their money.  Hermann Goring once said, "Unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments and those who still think they can treat animals as inantimate property will be sent off to concentration camps."  In fact, Germany passed some of the most progressives acts of legislation protecting animals, all while brutalizing human beings in the most animalistic fashion imaginable.  Hitler loved animals to such an extent, he was a vegetarian.

 

But it gets even weirder, as if that were possible.  The Nazis were also ardent environmentalists.  The Nazis ordered their soldiers to plant trees.  There were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats.  And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine.

 

Is it just me that is creeped out by these similarities?

 

Edited June 20, 2013 by wonby1

[John S]

Your statement is ridiculous.

[revolutionist90]

(eyes roll)  I know, I know, we have all heard it before and thought such rhetoric to be over the top and baseless.  I also had these inclinations, that is, before I started learning about the Third Reich.  Try some of the quotes form Nazi's on for size.

 

"We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living.  The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all.  Therefore, we demand and end to power of financial interest.  We demand profit sharing in big business.  We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.  We demand the greatest consideration of small business in the purchases of the national state, and municipal governments in order to make possible to every capable industrious citizen attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all around enlargement of our system of public education.  We demand education of government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor - by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth.  We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the Common Good before the individual good.

- National Socialist Party

 

"Societies needs come before the individuals"

- Hitler

 

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemingly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and prosperity instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy their system under all costs."

- Hitler

 

"As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nations goods."

- Joseph Goebbels

 

"This year will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

- Hitler

 

"Gold is not necessary, I have no interest in gold.  We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it."

- Hitler.

 

"Believe me, National Socialism would be worth nothing if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule over the whole world for at least one to two thousand years."

- Hitler

 

"The more we are doing to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it."

- Joseph Mengele

 

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"

- Hitler

 

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it.  Through clever and constant applications of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and vise versa, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

- Hitler

 

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion.  Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good?  The Mohammedian religion too would have much more compatible to us than Christianity.  Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

- Hitler

 

These quotes sound frighteningly similar to things we hear today.  However, I have much, much more than this to drive home my point.  A German Historian by the name of Gotz Aly wrote a book called, "Hitler's Beneficiaries".  In the book the historian Aly studied the relationship between government largeness and corruption.  Most people don't realize that the Nazi government was very progressive.  They taxed most of the wealth that the top 4% had in Germany, and simply took from Jews as they killed them.  They also used plunder from wars abroad and threw all of this money at their base, the average working German.  In fact, Germans had the highest quality of life of anyone in Europe, and arguably in the US.  Food was always plentiful in Germany, even up until 1945.  The people had free health care, education, retirement etc.  Aly concluded that the biggest reason that the Nazis could carry out a genocide was, the progressive state was buying their support off of theft from those abroad.  As the Bible indicated, the love of money is the root of all evil.  The Nazi model is but one example.

 

http://llco.org/hitlers-beneficiaries-2005-by-gotz-aly/

 

But can we throw progressives of today under the bus with the Nazi regime?  Can we label today's progressives as genocidal warmongers as well?  Sure the Nazis were modern day progressives in terms of economic outlooks, but are they the monsters that create death camps?

 

Consider this, the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world.  It also recently had wars going on in three different countries and is currently attempting one in Syria.  Also consider abortion.  The US has killed far more unborn children than all the Jews combined that died in Nazi Germany.  Considering these things, are the progressives in the US that much better?  Today we have abortions doctors sitting around with jars full of babies feet on their desks.  How much better exactly are we than the Nazi regime?

 

Of course, progressives of today get their money by stealing from future generations, as well as the top 1%.  They then throw their money at the base needed to maintain power, just like the Nazi model showed us it could be done.  In fact, the loyalty generated by this winning formula is so strong, people are willing to overlook the most horrific of deeds.  Now Americans are willing to overlook that the government spies on them at will with impunity, and even can jail them without due process under the NDAA.  They are willing to overlook the extermination of millions of unborn children with next to no regulation.  The payoff is just too luring to decline.

 

But the similarities between Nazis and modern day progressives does not end there.  Interestingly, the Nazi's would have given PETA a run for their money.  Hermann Goring once said, "Unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments and those who still think they can treat animals as inantimate property will be sent off to concentration camps."  In fact, Germany passed some of the most progressives acts of legislation protecting animals, all while brutalizing human beings in the most animalistic fashion imaginable.  Hitler loved animals to such an extent, he was a vegetarian.

 

But it gets even weirder, as if that were possible.  The Nazis were also ardent environmentalists.  The Nazis ordered their soldiers to plant trees.  There were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats.  And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine.

 

Is it just me that is creeped out by these similarities?

 

 I'm equally creeped out. I didn't know about such similarities. When viewing some progressive ideologies it does make the similarities almost a foreshadowing of something. Abortion is good in their eyes and the Eugenics movement was triumphed as a success in Germany. Many Nazi's lied about helping the Jews (and the people bought it) kind of similar to how many lie to blacks about welfare. The concentration camps are gone but instead in the place are governmental changes. It slowly corrupts like ice that melts and refreezes in cement thus leading to a large crack until it breaks. 

[ncn]

 

 

There were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats.  And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine.

 

 

 

So horrified of the environment they lived in, that they slaughtered millions upon millions.

The Jews, sick, disabled not to mention those that did not agree with their regime.

 

Are you really trying to say that the USA is doing the same ? 

 

Perhaps, I am not understanding your post. 

 

PS. Reminder to ncn , stay out of our cousin's threads on politics from across the pond. 

[wonby1]

 

 

 

There were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats.  And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine.

 

 

 

So horrified of the environment they lived in, that they slaughtered millions upon millions.

The Jews, sick, disabled not to mention those that did not agree with their regime.

 

Are you really trying to say that the USA is doing the same ? 

 

Perhaps, I am not understanding your post. 

 

PS. Reminder to ncn , stay out of our cousin's threads on politics from across the pond. 

 

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When I say slaughtered millions, I am talking about the abortion industry as well as the great numbers of people who have died in wars abroad.

 

If abortion is really murder, then it is no different from the death camps in Nazi Germany.  The problem is, I don't think that most people believe it to be true, even Christians.  That's why I have no idea why Christians would vote for politicians who support abortion on demand but also claim abortion is wrong.  Would a Christian in Nazi Germany vote for someone who supported the death camps, just because they supported other things they liked about the candidate?

Edited June 22, 2013 by wonby1

[wonby1]

Your statement is ridiculous.

 

My statement is ridiculous?  I suppose you could say that only if you don't view abortion as murder.  After all, many more of the unborn have died at the hands of monsters like Dr. Gosnell in abortion clinics than have died in Nazi death camps.

 

As for the nanny state, it is a historical fact.  Nazi Germany was the most progressive country in Europe, if not the world.  They exploited the winning formula of stealing wealth and throwing it at their base of political support to maintain power.  Like it or not, the majority of Germans approved of Hitler and the Nazi party back in the day.  It shows the ability of a murderous regime to buy support from the populace even though they may be the incarnate of Satan himself.

Edited June 22, 2013 by wonby1

[other one]

in all the wars the USA has fought, we have only had about a million and a half citizens killed.   we kill that many babies a year

[OakWood]

Today's Progressives and yesterday's Nazis are all cut from the same cloth even though the Progressives may not be aware of it. This is what happens when Man makes his own moral code instead of following God's. It may seem all fine and dandy at first but it is sure to end in tears.

God gave us free will and allows us to make our own mistakes, but only to show us that in the long run we can't succeed without his guidance and to make it worse, God's adversary, Satan is working behind the scenes during all of this.

What is happening today may be in no way as evil (yet) as what happened in Nazi Germany but it is heading that way. This is just the start!

[wonby1]

Today's Progressives and yesterday's Nazis are all cut from the same cloth even though the Progressives may not be aware of it. This is what happens when Man makes his own moral code instead of following God's. It may seem all fine and dandy at first but it is sure to end in tears.

God gave us free will and allows us to make our own mistakes, but only to show us that in the long run we can't succeed without his guidance and to make it worse, God's adversary, Satan is working behind the scenes during all of this.

What is happening today may be in no way as evil (yet) as what happened in Nazi Germany but it is heading that way. This is just the start!

But we don't make our own moral code.  Each of us are subject to God's moral code which is the Golden Rule spelled out by Christ.

 

There are ways to get around that moral code, however.  The key is dehumanizing the other party so that they can be treated like beasts of burden.  For example, in the 1800's the slave was seen as nothing but a glorified ape.  Had they been portrayed as our equal, mankind could never have justified treating them in such a way.

 

Likewise, in Nazi Germany the Jew was not our equal, they were equated with vermin.  And in the Middle East those who are not Muslim are infidels and Jews are apes and pigs.

 

For the progressive, these mental gymnastics are also necessary.  The unborn are not people they are a "fetus".   I've even heard them called parasites.

Edited June 22, 2013 by wonby1

[Fez]

What is the purpose of this very depressing thread filled with words that conjure up past hatreds, etc?

Where is the fruit it should be producing?