the monarchy

[Fez]

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have named their son George Alexander Louis, Kensington Palace has said.

 

He will be known as His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge..

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Since George and Richard are the only" king" name's not in current use in the immediate  Royal family, this is hardly a surprise. Particularly as there have been two George's in the twentieth century and no Richard's since Richard the III (not a monarch with a particularly good reputation) the fifteenth.

I have a fried called Louis, quite a common name. My friend Louis is as gay as a tree full of monkeys, but has a huge heart...

[nebula]

 

Here's something interesting:

 

List of countries ruled by a monarchy

 

 

Wow - Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain still have monarchies.

 

 

Why is it that England's monarchy are made to be celebrities, while we know nothing of these other nations' monarchies?

 

Because the British monarch is also Queen of New Zealand Canada, Jamaica Australia and about 20 other entities. Furthermore, because the USA, India, Pakistan and many other states were former British colonies often founded upon rebellion of the ancestors of the aforementioned Queen. If you fight someone you tend to remember them. They also have a very good media machine. Furthermore, the Japanese are reclusive and most European monarchs cycle around pretending to be bourgeois. The British monarchy is the only one that still shows of in pompous pseudo-feudal style - horse drawn glass coaches, Palaces and more bling than all the rappers of the world combined.

 

 

OK, makes sense.

[nebula]

Since George and Richard are the only" king" name's not in current use in the immediate  Royal family, this is hardly a surprise. Particularly as there have been two George's in the twentieth century and no Richard's since Richard the III (not a monarch with a particularly good reputation) the fifteenth.  

 

Thank-you for offering perspective on why the name was chosen. I've been wondering about that.

[gnomonist]

 

 Abraham was promised both physical seed and spiritual seed. Spiritual seed are those of faith obviously be they natural seed or not.

 

Please post the quote in Genesis where there is a mention of "spiritual" seed?

 

 

Now clearly that says that his seed would become many nations (those are political units) with many kings.

 

 

1 Chron. 1

 

28 The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael. 29 These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, 30 Mishma, and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema, 31 Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael. 32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. 33 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah. 34 And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel. 35 The sons of Esau; Eliphaz, Reuel, and Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah. 36 The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek. 37 The sons of Reuel; Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah. 38 And the sons of Seir; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah, and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan. 39 And the sons of Lotan; Hori, and Homam: and Timna was Lotan's sister. 40 The sons of Shobal; Alian, and Manahath, and Ebal, Shephi, and Onam. And the sons of Zibeon; Aiah, and Anah. 41 The sons of Anah; Dishon. And the sons of Dishon; Amram, and Eshban, and Ithran, and Cheran. 42 The sons of Ezer; Bilhan, and Zavan, and Jakan. The sons of Dishan; Uz, and Aran. 43 Now these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the children of Israel; Bela the son of Beor: and the name of his city was Dinhabah. 44 And when Bela was dead , Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead. 45 And when Jobab was dead , Husham of the land of the Temanites reigned in his stead. 46 And when Husham was dead , Hadad the son of Bedad, which smote Midian in the field of Moab, reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Avith. 47 And when Hadad was dead , Samlah of Masrekah reigned in his stead. 48 And when Samlah was dead , Shaul of Rehoboth by the river reigned in his stead. 49 And when Shaul was dead , Baalhanan the son of Achbor reigned in his stead. 50 And when Baalhanan was dead , Hadad reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Pai; and his wife's name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, the daughter of Mezahab. 51 Hadad died also. And the dukes of Edom were; duke Timnah, duke Aliah, duke Jetheth, 52 Duke Aholibamah, duke Elah, duke Pinon, 53 Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar, 54 Duke Magdiel, duke Iram. These are the dukes of Edom.

 

 

Are these not "many nations"?

 

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Sure they are, but not the children of promise.  That same promise went to Abraham's sons, namely Isaac and Jacob.  These other nations you mentioned are children of the flesh of Abraham, but not the promised lineage, and are obviously uncles and cousins of sorts to Israel, thus these nations do not qualify as recipients of the birthright promise. But if God chose to give Abraham additional nations outside the covenant, that's fine, too.

 

BTW, spiritual seed are inferred by "stars of heaven" as opposed to "sands of the seashore" or "dust of the earth" (physical).  Adam was made from the dust of the earth, and thus that word symbolizes physical man, whereas stars were used to connote celestial (spiritual) beings.

[nebula]

BTW, spiritual seed are inferred by "stars of heaven" as opposed to "sands of the seashore" or "dust of the earth" (physical).  Adam was made from the dust of the earth, and thus that word symbolizes physical man, whereas stars were used to connote celestial (spiritual) beings.

 

 

By what authority do you make these claims?

[gnomonist]

 

BTW, spiritual seed are inferred by "stars of heaven" as opposed to "sands of the seashore" or "dust of the earth" (physical).  Adam was made from the dust of the earth, and thus that word symbolizes physical man, whereas stars were used to connote celestial (spiritual) beings.

 

 

By what authority do you make these claims?

 

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Ummmmmmm.  It's in the bible?  (not my claims, then)

[nebula]

 

 

BTW, spiritual seed are inferred by "stars of heaven" as opposed to "sands of the seashore" or "dust of the earth" (physical).  Adam was made from the dust of the earth, and thus that word symbolizes physical man, whereas stars were used to connote celestial (spiritual) beings.

 

 

By what authority do you make these claims?

 

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Ummmmmmm.  It's in the bible?  (not my claims, then)

 

 

I mean the interpretations of the verses.

[gnomonist]

 

I mean the interpretations of the verses.

 

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Well, as of the interpretation, hindsight is 20/20.  I mean, we won't deny now, what has happened historically as there were physical as well as spiritual (which means they can come from Gentiles) descendents, do we?  The bible is replete with contrasting earth/heaven themes.  Adam is dust/ angels and messengers are stars in Revelation.

 

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. ⁴⁶Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

 

With Abraham, his descendents were mentioned as stars only when the theme of faith and righteousness was introduced in the scriptural text, and not before thus inseparably tying them together.  Dust, on the other hand,  is mentioned beforehand and are merely the offspring of the patriarchs. As a matter of fact, it's interesting to note that sand, although of the earth, is not mentioned until Genesis 21 which is the foreshadow of Christ's sacrifice.  It may be interesting to note historically that there are not only Gentile believers, but myriads of natural seed of Abraham who believe, just as sand is a different form of earth than dust.  In addition, Paul says of the church we'll be resurrected in spiritual bodies, something celestial, and no longer earthly like dust or sand.

 

Even in the vernacular it's in our everyday language.  Dust is earthly and mundane if someone's "down in the mud" (liquified dirt) or dirt, they are disgraced, lowly, common.  If someone "reaches for the stars" they are high-minded, elevated and celestial. I don't think whether a person is Christian or not you'll get much of an argument that these symbols mean much else other than earthly and heavenly.

[nebula]

But you are trying to claim that a particular group of Gentiles have a specific physical connection.

[other one]

I'm kind of lost here.  Is any of this pertaining to the monarchy?