The Following of Husband?

[Guest ninhao]

 

One thing you are failing to see here is that you are describing a situation where the husband or the wife is in such error, they aren't following scripture in the first place.  They wouldn't be obedient to the scriptures I gave. 

 

 

If the husband or the wife isn't following scripture what should they do. Many people change doctrinal positions, some even after marriage, I'm sure you have done this yourself. If the husband changes to embrace Universalism what should the wife do ? 

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

Waiting2BwithHim, on 27 Sept 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

First is in the Bible it says that the husband should be the leader in the household.

Is this pertaing to just the household or to Church also?

 

 

Jesus is the head of the Church

 

 

Second is if both man and wife have 2 different views on a particular biblical view and there is

no common ground then what should be done in such a situation?

 

 

If the issue is considered an essential doctrine then I suggest mediation with the Pastor or Church Elders or even trusted Church friends. If the issue isn’t an essential doctrine I think it is ok to disagree and simply discuss the issue presenting each other’s view. It is ok to disagree gracefully.   

 

 

Last is if women are to be living in the example of man how does that make her an unique individual

with her own thoughts, views, and personality that God created?

 

 

Every Christian is equal and individual in the eye of Jesus.

 

Gal 3:26-29  So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,  (27)  for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.  (28)  There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  (29)  If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

 

Amen!

[Guest ninhao]

 

I already gave you scripture that tells her what to do.  1 Corinthians tells her to remain with her husband if he wishes to remain with her.  1 Peter tells her to walk out her faith in front of him and be obedient.  The hope is that he will be won over by the wife's behavior.  It specifically states he is to be won over "without the word," so that means she should not be openly opposing him.  I am not going to take positions in opposition to scripture, no matter how you phrase it, so I don't know what you are looking for? 

 

 

You are suggesting a husband who changes to accept Universalism doctrine has become a non believer .  I won't get into this with you.

 

If the doctrinal change ( to an incorrect position ) doesn't cause the husband to become a non believer ( in your eyes ) what should the wife do ?

[GoldenEagle]

Ninhao perhaps this passage comes into play then?
 

Matthew 18:15-20
If Your Brother Sins Against You

¹⁵ “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. ¹⁶ But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. ¹⁷ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. ¹⁸ Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed^[f] in heaven. ¹⁹ Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. ²⁰ For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

[Guest ninhao]

GoldenEagle perhaps this scripture could have applied to an earlier thread of mine. ( possibly you know which one )  

 

Here I'm not sure if we can consider incorrect doctrine as sin. What do you think ?

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

One thing you are failing to see here is that you are describing a situation where the husband or the wife is in such error, they aren't following scripture in the first place.  They wouldn't be obedient to the scriptures I gave. 

 

 

If the husband or the wife isn't following scripture what should they do. Many people change doctrinal positions, some even after marriage, I'm sure you have done this yourself. If the husband changes to embrace Universalism what should the wife do ? 

 

 

Go to the local church body. Perhaps talk to a Pastor or Christian Counselor for starters?

[GoldenEagle]

 

Ninhao perhaps this passage comes into play then?

 

Matthew 18:15-20

If Your Brother Sins Against You

¹⁵ “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. ¹⁶ But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. ¹⁷ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. ¹⁸ Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed^[f] in heaven. ¹⁹ Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. ²⁰ For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

What is the sin?  Sin is a transgression of the law.  How did the husband or wife sin in this situation? 

 

If either party believe Universalism (all paths lead to God and Jesus Christ is not the only way) which is clearly Biblically speaking errant doctrine they are in sin (an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law) and are in need of correction. To spread such false doctrine would also be sin IMO. The local church is where I would go to if my spouse started believing such a lie. Just my 2 cents.

[Guest ninhao]

 

If it doesn't make him a non believer, then why should she oppose him at all?  The wife was created to be a help meet to her husband, not an adversary.  Go back to Genesis.  After God created Adam, he specifically states he created woman to be his help meet.  A wife who would oppose her husband over a non essential matter is failing to do what she was created for.  If it is essential, then it is a salvation issue, and I gave you what scripture says in such instances. 

 

 

 

You don't consider a wife gracefully discussing with the husband that he is embracing incorrect doctrine is helping him ?  I consider I would be very unhelpful not to discuss it.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

 

Ninhao perhaps this passage comes into play then?

 

Matthew 18:15-20

If Your Brother Sins Against You

¹⁵ “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. ¹⁶ But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. ¹⁷ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. ¹⁸ Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed^[f] in heaven. ¹⁹ Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. ²⁰ For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

What is the sin?  Sin is a transgression of the law.  How did the husband or wife sin in this situation? 

 

If either party believe Universalism (all paths lead to God and Jesus Christ is not the only way) which is clearly Biblically speaking errant doctrine they are in sin (an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law) and are in need of correction. To spread such false doctrine would also be sin IMO. The local church is where I would go to if my spouse started believing such a lie. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

Sin is a transgression of God's law, not believing error.  If it were a sin, then the man became an unbeliever, so scriptures concerning being married to an unbeliever would apply. 

 

Does God's law not point to Jesus being the only way to God? Teaching otherwise is sin by pointing away from God's Messiah (Jesus Christ). This particular sin brings a curse too...

Gal. 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

As to the man becoming an unbeliever I'll probably not go there as that is a discussion for another topic.

[GoldenEagle]

It can seem where the husband is held to one standard and the wife to a different standard at times to me.

Interesting discussion. Headed to bed though. G'night all.