Mormonism

[Biscuit]

When we have good Christian candidates running for president (i.e. Huckabee, Paul), why would a Christian support Romney? Have we compromised so much that Mormonism is no longer considered a cult?

[Eliyahuw]

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=5933

This is becoming quite frustrating. I'm not one to avoid a debate, but their tone is becoming hostile to where I have no desire to respond. I've already laid out my beliefs clearly; it is their own fault that they didn't thoroughly read it.

They claim that baptism by water is necessary for salvation.

If someone else would like to pick up where I left off, that would be wonderful. I do not have the time right now to deal with it.

Unless your really strong in christianity, don't get into a debate with them. their specifically trained in dealing with christians and confusing especially the younger ones.

Mormons convert more Main stream religions than non-believers. their very well versed in counterarguments.

You also have to learn their definitions for certain words that we use. for example, when they speak of trinity they say that there are 3 gods that are separate, that share the same office of God AND they teach that none of these three are God the father. there is also a goddess mother that God makes spirit babies with. So far i have gotten them to admit to at least 4 gods instead of One God manifest into three personalities.

NOT ONLY That they believe that God the father came down and had sex with mary and impregnated her. So if thats the case, God would be a polygamist since according to them there is his wife, the goddess mother, then Mary the mother of Jesus.

[Eliyahuw]

They claim baptism in water is nessasary for salvation.

Well they got one thing right, what other baptism is there?

While it is evident from my first post I do strongly disagree with them, let us not judge them, for Christ will do that when he returns. For now I opt that we try to show them the legitimacy of the bible.

Good posts by the way, I'm going to check out that mormon board.

Baptism of Holy spirit. All baptism of water does is get you wet. the only reason for baptism of water is that its a outward sign of a inward change. nothing more. it cannot save anyone.

As far as judging them, why not. their wrong in their doctrines in fact the whole church is wrong. it was started by a con man who was notorious for ripping people off. A man that could barely read is supposed to have interpreted a magic book of gold that was written in Glyphs in a time where very very few archaeologists even know anything about glyphs and they were the experts, and it took a magic pair of glasses to interpret. This same gold book, disappeared afterwards and he made the claim a angel took the book so theres nothing to verify its authenticity. (the bible can be verified all the way back to 100 years after christ and its the same now as then).

THe BOM has been edited and changed a half a dozen times at least since 1845 when it was written, in order to correct the blatant errors of doctrine that Joseph Smith put into it. His changes made in the Mormons king james versions adds him into the bible as a prophet. His prophacies have failed multiple times even before he was killed and specifically his prophacy that God would deliver him from his enemies failed since he was killed by his enemies.

According to God, all it takes to be a false prophet is 1 failed prophacy.

So yeah we can judge mormon beliefs. We are commanded to challange false doctrines and teachings and the only way we can do that is to judge the doctrines against the bible.

Basically once you judge the doctrine as false, then anyone that lays claim to salvation based on a false doctrine is most likely not saved!

Its simple, if you copy a counterfeit, you do not have a valid copy. SO if you base salvation on a false teaching, you have no salvation. you have a imitation

[DarkNebulaWelder]

Can someone tell me how Mormons feel about Christians? Do they really disdain them, as is claimed, or is there a sort of tolerance there?

One thing I do admire about the Mormon church that, to a large extent, the Christian church lacks in is generosity. When I lived at the homeless veterans shelter, my roommate was Mormon, and whenever she needed money her Mormon brothers & sisters were always more than glad to help. Many of them also seem more loving towards members of the congregation. I have never received money from any of the churches I attended, even when I desperately needed it.

I did receive food, though, which was a great blessing, and I am grateful, but I do think that many of us Christians could take a lesson from the Mormons regarding generosity and love.

Edited May 6, 2007 by DarkNebulaWelder

[DarkNebulaWelder]

I suppose that we could go on and on about this. But I think that it's sufficient to say that most Mormons do not follow or worship the same God that we do. It's surely possible that some Mormons are genuinely saved. But tragically they do not follow the true God of the universe.

How can this be, if they don't believe that Jesus was God, and that He died for our sins?

Do you feel that Satan can use Mormons who are popular musicians, such as the lead singer of one of the most popular bands on the radio (whom I won't mention), to further this agenda?

[DarkNebulaWelder]

I joined that board.

Didn't take long for them to start the preachin'

A fellow named "pseudogratix" seems particularly defensive.

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I found in my conversations there with them that they try very hard to sound exactly like Christians, yet they have changed the terms to fit their theology.

They have tried very hard indeed.

You know, I have wondered why ot os that they try to suit their faith, and their witness, to sound more acceptable to others. Could it be that they don't wholeheartedly believe what it is they claim? If they are adimate in their faith, shouldn't they be a littloe more dogmatic?

[Eliyahuw]

Can someone tell me how Mormons feel about Christians? Do they really disdain them, as is claimed, or is there a sort of tolerance there?

One thing I do admire about the Mormon church that, to a large extent, the Christian church lacks in is generosity. When I lived at the homeless veterans shelter, my roommate was Mormon, and whenever she needed money her Mormon brothers & sisters were always more than glad to help. Many of them also seem more loving towards members of the congregation. I have never received money from any of the churches I attended, even when I desperately needed it.

I did receive food, though, which was a great blessing, and I am grateful, but I do think that many of us Christians could take a lesson from the Mormons regarding generosity and love.

most churches are nailed so hard by scammers and lazy people they quit giving money to people. some do help with bills of their congregation but don't give money tothem.

the mormons love you if you look like your going to convert. if you don't accept their doctrines they won't have much to do with ya.

One description i have heard that fits them perfectly. Trying to discuss anything biblical with a mormon is like trying to nail jello to a wall.

[DarkNebulaWelder]

Dear Cherub Rocket,

This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. I am not a mormon either.

If you think everyone should believe as you do, you will only guarantee disappointment and frustration. Take what you have experienced in the mormon discussion, and learn from it how the minority of non-believers are treated from the majority. It is always useful to travel some time in the other person's shoes.

Be at peace, for all are not only able to believe as they will, but have the right to do so. Do not wonder that this results in so many different beliefs (and disbelief). It is in our nature as humans. I only hope that this nature is not the one thing that causes us to kill each other.

Peace,

UndecidedFrog

Hello, my friend;

Please understand that the doctrine that we follow states that ours IS the only way to salvation...the belief that everyone must believe as we do to be saved is a central part of our faith, and that we are not dogmatic for dogmatism's skae. We are not being unkind, stubborn, or narrow-minded. Our belief system is centered around this very belief, and the God that we worship has said this---it isn't our opinion.

It is one of our tenets that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, so yes, I guess we do believe that everyone should believe as we do, but please understand that it is out of concern for people's souls---NOT out of narrow-mindedness.

[DarkNebulaWelder]

And if she were not cute at all, would you be commanded at all? Just some things to think about.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

HMMM...You and I were on the same wavelength for a second, there, UF, but just for a SECOND. Who am I to judge someone's motives....especially when that someone is witnessing the faith.

Anyhow, my prayers are with you, CR...I hope the Lord works through you.

[RustyAngeL]

I live in an area heavily populated by "mainstream" mormons. They have a different Jesus, and have a different means of salvation (as we define salvation). They teach a different gospel, one given by a false angel of light. Until a few years ago, they were adamant that they were not Christians. To make themselves more accepted, they are now calling themselves Christians in my area.

Yikes, I had no idea. How scary.