I won't be a part of a forum that allows terror

[M45510G1C]

I do not speak for others, but for me it is about truth.

John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Corinthians 13:6 - Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth

Ephesians 4:15 - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

Ephesians 5:9 - (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Ephesians 6:14 - Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness

1 John 5:6 - This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

If the truth is that the US is indeed an evil empire, or that the world is being controlled by a secret organization, then that is where Gid is, with the truth. It is unfortunate that a quest for the truth results in such discontent within the body. It is also unfortuante that these threads have been closed, as I believe I had presented some very compelling evidence a few days ago, to which I had yet to receive a response. C'est la vie.

[Ovedya]

I do not speak for others, but for me it is about truth.

[Guest Christian Soldier]

I made a post that __________ was spreading propaganda and my post was deleted due to the fact that it seemed of a personal nature. That is fine and I voiced my opinion to a moderator and here claiming that we have so many threads bashing America, our involvment in Iraq, and spreading some stuff that has not much credibility (the sources of the stories). Folks, you don't have to support what we do as military if that is what "floats your boat", but someone coming out saying that we are over there killing civilians indiscriminately is totally uncalled for. I read today on Canada.com that some former Marine has requested political asylum now and claims that some of his folks killed civilians. If anything happens, I hope Canada sends him back so that he can stand trial at his courtsmartial. It sure does seem funny how someone would run to a foreign country and start spouting stuff off and not have the nerve to say it here in the USA. I say the guy has something to hide if you ask me.

[refugepsa91]

The trend I see happening is the few soldiers that do mess up...and their are bad folks all over people...are being latched onto by the media and then all of a sudden all of our brave soldiers over there and being "sterotyped" by the actions of a few "bad apples" I can't stand to see that.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[WayneB]

Folks, you don't have to support what we do as military if that is what "floats your boat", but someone coming out saying that we are over there killing civilians indiscriminately is totally uncalled for.

I agree with you brother. Not to go political with this but I grew up in the military during Vietnam and served in the post-war army. To see John Kerry come home and falsely testify about indiscriminate killing and murder by troops? He should have been court-martialed and tried for perjury!

Regardless, throughout our history, there have been those who have opposed the military regardless of the circumstances... starting with the Revolutionary War. General Washington had his hands full just holding together the Continental Army. There were even folks who opposed us declaring war on Germany in WWII!

So take some pride in knowing that you serve the side of TRUTH and FREEDOM and righteousness AND that it is because of our service in the armed servcies that folks are allowed to voice their opinions regardless of how "wacko" they are. I mean, if we can stand Michael Moore, we can stand almost anyone or anything. We do NOT have to listen though.

Rest assured... God is in control and in Him we can TRUST and find rest.

Be safe in Iraq brother and stay in touch so that the brethren can keep you in prayer.

In Christ,

Wayne

[other one]

Some of us are concerned about why you are going there and what will happen when you come back.

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http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...21848-6449r.htm

Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters

By Mark Benjamin

UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

Washington, DC, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq are beginning to show up at homeless shelters around the country, and advocates fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen since the Vietnam era.

"When we already have people from Iraq on the streets, my God," said Linda Boone, executive director of the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans. "I have talked to enough (shelters) to know we are getting them. It is happening and this nation is not prepared for that."

"I drove off in my truck. I packed my stuff. I lived out of my truck for a while," Seabees Petty Officer Luis Arellano, 34, said in a telephone interview from a homeless shelter near March Air Force Base in California run by U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans.

Arellano said he lived out of his truck on and off for three months after returning from Iraq in September 2003. "One day you have a home and the next day you are on the streets," he said.

In Iraq, shrapnel nearly severed his left thumb. He still has trouble moving it and shrapnel "still comes out once in a while," Arellano said. He is left handed.

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.

"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, 'Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.'"

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed.

A gunner's mate for 16 years, Arellano said he adjusted after serving in the first Gulf War. But after returning from Iraq, depression drove him to leave his job at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He got divorced.

He said that after being quickly pushed out of the military, he could not get help from the VA because of long delays.

"I felt, as well as others (that the military said) 'We can't take care of you on active duty.' We had to sign an agreement that we would follow up with the VA," said Arellano.

"When we got there, the VA was totally full. They said, 'We'll call you.' But I developed depression."

He left his job and wandered for three months, sometimes living in his truck.

Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and almost half served during the Vietnam era, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition, a consortium of community-based homeless-veteran service providers. While some experts have questioned the degree to which mental trauma from combat causes homelessness, a large number of veterans live with the long-term effects of post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, according to the coalition.

Some homeless-veteran advocates fear that similar combat experiences in Vietnam and Iraq mean that these first few homeless veterans from Iraq are the crest of a wave.

"This is what happened with the Vietnam vets. I went to Vietnam," said John Keaveney, chief operating officer of New Directions, a shelter and drug-and-alcohol treatment program for veterans in Los Angeles. That city has an estimated 27,000 homeless veterans, the largest such population in the nation. "It is like watching history being repeated," Keaveney said.

Data from the Department of Veterans Affairs shows that as of last July, nearly 28,000 veterans from Iraq sought health care from the VA. One out of every five was diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the VA. An Army study in the New England Journal of Medicine in July showed that 17 percent of service members returning from Iraq met screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD.

Asked whether he might have PTSD, Arrellano, the Seabees petty officer who lived out of his truck, said: "I think I do, because I get nightmares. I still remember one of the guys who was killed." He said he gets $100 a month from the government for the wound to his hand.

Lance Cpl. James Claybon Brown Jr., 23, is staying at a shelter run by U.S.VETS in Los Angeles. He fought in Iraq for 6 months with Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines and later in Afghanistan with another unit. He said the fighting in Iraq was sometimes intense.

"We were pretty much all over the place," Brown said. "It was really heavy gunfire, supported by mortar and tanks, the whole nine (yards)."

Brown acknowledged the mental stress of war, particularly after Marines inadvertently killed civilians at road blocks. He thinks his belief in God helped him come home with a sound mind.

"We had a few situations where, I guess, people were trying to get out of the country. They would come right at us and they would not stop," Brown said. "We had to open fire on them. It was really tough. A lot of soldiers, like me, had trouble with that."

"That was the hardest part," Brown said. "Not only were there men, but there were women and children -- really little children. There would be babies with arms blown off. It was something hard to live with."

Brown said he got an honorable discharge with a good conduct medal from the Marines in July and went home to Dayton, Ohio. But he soon drifted west to California "pretty much to start over," he said.

Brown said his experience with the VA was positive, but he has struggled to find work and is staying with U.S.VETS to save money. He said he might go back to school.

Advocates said seeing homeless veterans from Iraq should cause alarm. Around one-fourth of all homeless Americans are veterans, and more than 75 percent of them have some sort of mental or substance abuse problem, often PTSD, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition.

More troubling, experts said, is that mental problems are emerging as a major casualty cluster, particularly from the war in Iraq where the enemy is basically everywhere and blends in with the civilian population, and death can come from any direction at any time.

Interviews and visits to homeless shelters around the Unites States show the number of homeless veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan so far is limited. Of the last 7,500 homeless veterans served by the VA, 50 had served in Iraq. Keaveney, from New Directions in West Los Angeles, said he is treating two homeless veterans from the Army's elite Ranger battalion at his location. U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans, found nine veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in a quick survey of nine shelters. Others, like the Maryland Center for Veterans Education and Training in Baltimore, said they do not currently have any veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in their 170 beds set aside for emergency or transitional housing.

Peter Dougherty, director of Homeless Veterans Programs at the VA, said services for veterans at risk of becoming homeless have improved exponentially since the Vietnam era. Over the past 30 years, the VA has expanded from 170 hospitals, adding 850 clinics and 206 veteran centers with an increasing emphasis on mental health. The VA also supports around 300 homeless veteran centers like the ones run by U.S.VETS, a partially non-profit organization.

"You probably have close to 10 times the access points for service than you did 30 years ago," Dougherty said. "We may be catching a lot of these folks who are coming back with mental illness or substance abuse" before they become homeless in the first place. Dougherty said the VA serves around 100,000 homeless veterans each year.

But Boone's group says that nearly 500,000 veterans are homeless at some point in any given year, so the VA is only serving 20 percent of them.

Roslyn Hannibal-Booker, director of development at the Maryland veterans center in Baltimore, said her organization has begun to get inquiries from veterans from Iraq and their worried families. "We are preparing for Iraq," Hannibal-Booker said.

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Please don't think that all of us that are very very afraid of the actions of our president are against our country, it's military or our people. We see a present danger for not only you, but ourselves and our families (including yours).

Our nation didn't take care of Viet Nam Vets, and it was the government that didn't take care things combined with the general public not standing up for vets then and now..... so don't bad mouth those of us that are concerned with it all. We are the only people talking about it at all.

So when you come back, know for sure that there is at least one person in this world that cares for you and your well being. Before you go, while you're there and when you come back.

*praying daily*

Sam

[littleladyinblack]

Hold on...

You guys can voice your opinions on how great George Bush is and everyone else is expected to smile and nod, whether we agree or not?

These are discussion forums...

[Guest yod]

Hey...as long as someone admits that their opinions are opinions then we can talk in a civilized manner but when people start posting dubious "facts" that are DESIGNED to incite then we have a problem.

If someone does this once in a while among a greater body of posts that show some balance in other areas, it isn't a problem at all.

But we have people here that do not ever get into a discussion that they haven't started for the purpose of a fight. They purposely post inflammatory things.

The ones who get my goat the MOST are the ones who are disrespectful in the way they describe our President and other leaders all the way up to the troops in the field. I'm tired of the Al Jazeera lies!

They insult the very ones who are giving their blood so we can have the right to free speech on a discussion board.

It's one thing to post an article by mistake that is factually inaccurate.....it's another to post an entire series of articles for months that are investigated, judged, and found to be false by the rest of us here.

If ANYONE wants to discuss ANY topic in a civilized and respectful manner then WELCOME TO THE WORTHY BOARDS.

But if ANYONE is here simply to stir up strife then I say, "Kiss my American grits"

[Eadora]

Where Is Christ? .

Nowhere have I denied Christ!

I recall when I first opened my heart to the Lord. I had lots of questions. I did not know the difference between a Episcopalian, a Jehovah Witness, a Mormon, or a Pentecostal. I had to find these things out by exposing myself to dissenting view and trusting God that the truth would be revealed. I recall the Jehovah Witness

[other one]

The trend I see happening is the few soldiers that do mess up...and their are bad folks all over people...are being latched onto by the media and then all of a sudden all of our brave soldiers over there and being "sterotyped" by the actions of a few "bad apples"  I can't stand to see that. 

Love and Blessings,

Angel

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

angel, look closely at the people who are in controll of the media..... read about them....... find who they are,where they come from and what they do and why, and you will understand a big part of what is happening in this world today and why. Most of you would not believe me if I took the time to post it, so I ask you to look into it yourself.

Why is this happening....... don't sweep it under the door mat because it is ugly, look into why all this is going on. If you don't find the why's it will not stop until we all end up in the streets with nothing.

When you understand WHY, you will understand me.....