A Conversation on sin & Love!

[Guest KathyB]

I have been a Christian since I was 17 years old so that would make me a believer for 21 years. In my 21 years I have been to many charismatic churches, many non-Christian websites and have fallen down quite a few times from the trials in my life.

I have spoken to more atheists and agnostics in the last 5 years then in my entire life. As I spent my time talking with people who do not believe in Jesus & God I have learned why they cannot stand

[Leonard]

You are so right! I generally have much better conversations regarding homosexuality with homosexuals themselves than I do with Christians. Same with New Agers, and c.

[Guest KathyB]

You are so right!  I generally have much better conversations regarding homosexuality with homosexuals themselves than I do with Christians.  Same with New Agers, and c.

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I just want the people of God to see that we are the Light in the world ya know! That judgement without love is pointless. When people say anything about my Christianity its....wow you are not like any other Christian I have met. THAT is God at work to me.....because they see God and not me. He doesn't need my help to save the world I am just the vessel to show the world Him!

[shammah]

Kathy B;

Your so right !!

If you diligently study the scriptures, and thus Know the Heart of God ;it's amazing how He will bring the downcast, and broken hearted before you, and it is a privilege!!! Because the God of the universe has made a divine appointment between you and one He wishs to pull from the fire !

I say wishs only because we usually don't know where this will lead; each person is given a chance to enter into that way; but also even in believing, finding the way too high a cost, is often the case!

Your questioning and communing with God; as we all do; starts out more why me Lord?

And all the things in our life that must drop away before we can really stand before him, a vessel refine and useful for the Masters service !

I have seen so many new christians say; after the short version of the Message; Your going to Hell if you don't repent!

Then I've seen the opposite, people who have claimed to be christians most of their lives, seeing the constant evil attitudes of other so called christians, blatant sins, they never repent of, but they are never warn them !!

There is a Hell waiting for the pretender also; the ones who knowing the word (to some degree, but really not giving heed), never change, they may be pleasent in church but they have a heart set on their own way rebellious to God !

These people actually believe they will enter the kingdom because they believe there is a God and raised their hand for salvation once! These are the hardest to save! Even the devils believe and tremble; I believe the church may be the largest gathering place of the hardest to bring to repentance!

God rarely sends me to speak to them ,because it just heaps more condemnation on their heads, making their hearts more like stone!

But as Christ said to the religious leaders of His day, which is very true today; Even the Harlots and the Sinners will enter the Kingdom before you, because they heard the message and repented and believed!

The original message was to repent and keep repenting, being refined as silver and gold, by obedience to His Word!

Heb.5:8,9;

8Although He was a Son, He learned [active, special] obedience through what He suffered

9And, [His completed experience] making Him perfectly [equipped], He became the Author and Source of eternal salvation to all those who give heed and (OBEY) Him !

10Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried and chosen you in the furnace of affliction.

2 Tim. 2:20'21;

20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also [utensils] of wood and earthenware, and some for honorable and noble [use] and some for menial and ignoble [use].

21So whoever cleanses himself [from what is ignoble and unclean, who separates himself from contact with contaminating and corrupting influences] will [then himself] be a vessel set apart and useful for honorable and noble purposes, consecrated and profitable to the Master, fit and ready for any good work.

But the one who admits he's a sinner and see's the light of God shining through a true one is convicted and convinced !

I heard a story, and I actually witnessed the event !

There was a bunch off us sitting around in my early rebellious days when some people came into the room who had taken a substance that made them able to see into the spirit !

All of a sudden these guys ran out of the house frightened by something!

I asked one of them ,my friend , What did you guys see the next day?

I'll never forget His answer, he said they were all tripping seeing spirits, and colors, and having a good time , till they came into the house, they said they looked in utter horror at a bright light coming from one of us, so bright that they couldn't stand it!

They had come to get us all loaded on peyote, but God was not going to permit it !

Sometimes looking back at your life; when you were in the deepest sin, He had the most mercy; but now its time to grow up into the maturity He desires, so He can use spotless virgins!

God can use any vessel, but for His most noble and important tasks, where only His words will come out of your mouth, you must be as that spotless one, unspotted with sin of the world, or religious leaven!

Agape in Christ ;Ephraim.

[Guest KathyB]

Kathy B;

Your so right !!

If you diligently study the scriptures, and thus Know the Heart of God ;it's amazing how He will bring the downcast, and broken hearted before you, and it is a privilege!!! Because the God of the universe has made a divine appointment between you and one He wishs to pull from the fire !

I say wishs only because we usually don't know where this will lead; each person is given a chance to enter into that way; but also even in believing, finding the way too high a cost, is often the case!

Your questioning and communing with God; as we all do; starts out more why me Lord?

And all the things in our life that must drop away before we can really stand before him, a vessel refine and useful for the Masters service !

I have seen so many new christians say; after the short version of the Message; Your going to Hell if you don't repent!

Then I've seen the opposite, people who have claimed to be christians most of their lives, seeing the constant evil attitudes of other so called christians, blatant sins, they never repent of, but they are never warn them !!

There is a Hell waiting for the pretender also; the ones who knowing the word (to some degree, but really not giving heed), never change, they may be pleasent in church but they have a heart set on their own way rebellious to God !

These people actually believe they will enter the kingdom because they believe there is a God and raised their hand for salvation once!  These are the hardest to save! Even the devils believe and tremble; I believe the church may be the largest gathering place of the hardest to bring to repentance!

God rarely sends me to speak to them ,because it just heaps more condemnation on their heads, making their hearts more like stone!

But as Christ said to the religious leaders of His day, which is very true today; Even the Harlots and the Sinners will enter the Kingdom before you, because they heard the message and repented and believed!

The original message was to repent and keep repenting, being refined as silver and gold, by obedience to His Word!

Heb.5:8,9;

8Although He was a Son, He learned [active, special] obedience through what He suffered

    9And, [His completed experience] making Him perfectly [equipped], He became the Author and Source of eternal salvation to all those who give heed and (OBEY) Him !

10Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried and chosen you in the furnace of affliction.

2 Tim. 2:20'21;

20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also [utensils] of wood and earthenware, and some for honorable and noble [use] and some for menial and ignoble [use].

    21So whoever cleanses himself [from what is ignoble and unclean, who separates himself from contact with contaminating and corrupting influences] will [then himself] be a vessel set apart and useful for honorable and noble purposes, consecrated and profitable to the Master, fit and ready for any good work.

But the one who admits he's a sinner and see's the light of God shining through a true one is convicted and convinced !

I heard a story, and I actually witnessed the event !

There was a bunch off us sitting around in my early rebellious days when some people came into the room who had taken a substance that made them able to see into the spirit !

All of a sudden these guys ran out of the house frightened by something!

I asked one of them ,my friend , What did you guys see the next day?

I'll never forget His answer, he said they were all tripping seeing spirits, and colors, and having a good time , till they came into the house, they said they looked in utter horror at a bright light coming from one of us, so bright that they couldn't stand it!

They had come to get us all loaded on peyote, but God was not going to permit it !

Sometimes looking back at your life; when you were in the deepest sin, He had the most mercy; but now its time to grow up into the maturity He desires, so He can use spotless virgins!

God can use any vessel, but for His most noble and important tasks, where only His words will come out of your mouth, you must be as that spotless one, unspotted with sin of the world, or religious leaven!

Agape in Christ ;Ephraim.

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Thank you for getting it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My heart is so tender and so big that sometimes I feel the pain and hopelessness of the people God puts in front of me and at the same time I feel what can only be a small ripple of the Love He has for them! Just to be able to feel that small ripple of Love He has for the pereson who may be broken and standing in front of me is the most humbling thing in my life! And the opportunity to love them is just undescribable!!!! ....and the greatest of these is Love"

Peace to you!!!!!!

[Guest KathyB]

Kathy B;

Your so right !!

If you diligently study the scriptures, and thus Know the Heart of God ;it's amazing how He will bring the downcast, and broken hearted before you, and it is a privilege!!! Because the God of the universe has made a divine appointment between you and one He wishs to pull from the fire !

I say wishs only because we usually don't know where this will lead; each person is given a chance to enter into that way; but also even in believing, finding the way too high a cost, is often the case!

Your questioning and communing with God; as we all do; starts out more why me Lord?

And all the things in our life that must drop away before we can really stand before him, a vessel refine and useful for the Masters service !

I have seen so many new christians say; after the short version of the Message; Your going to Hell if you don't repent!

Then I've seen the opposite, people who have claimed to be christians most of their lives, seeing the constant evil attitudes of other so called christians, blatant sins, they never repent of, but they are never warn them !!

There is a Hell waiting for the pretender also; the ones who knowing the word (to some degree, but really not giving heed), never change, they may be pleasent in church but they have a heart set on their own way rebellious to God !

These people actually believe they will enter the kingdom because they believe there is a God and raised their hand for salvation once!  These are the hardest to save! Even the devils believe and tremble; I believe the church may be the largest gathering place of the hardest to bring to repentance!

God rarely sends me to speak to them ,because it just heaps more condemnation on their heads, making their hearts more like stone!

But as Christ said to the religious leaders of His day, which is very true today; Even the Harlots and the Sinners will enter the Kingdom before you, because they heard the message and repented and believed!

The original message was to repent and keep repenting, being refined as silver and gold, by obedience to His Word!

Heb.5:8,9;

8Although He was a Son, He learned [active, special] obedience through what He suffered

    9And, [His completed experience] making Him perfectly [equipped], He became the Author and Source of eternal salvation to all those who give heed and (OBEY) Him !

10Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried and chosen you in the furnace of affliction.

2 Tim. 2:20'21;

20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also [utensils] of wood and earthenware, and some for honorable and noble [use] and some for menial and ignoble [use].

    21So whoever cleanses himself [from what is ignoble and unclean, who separates himself from contact with contaminating and corrupting influences] will [then himself] be a vessel set apart and useful for honorable and noble purposes, consecrated and profitable to the Master, fit and ready for any good work.

But the one who admits he's a sinner and see's the light of God shining through a true one is convicted and convinced !

I heard a story, and I actually witnessed the event !

There was a bunch off us sitting around in my early rebellious days when some people came into the room who had taken a substance that made them able to see into the spirit !

All of a sudden these guys ran out of the house frightened by something!

I asked one of them ,my friend , What did you guys see the next day?

I'll never forget His answer, he said they were all tripping seeing spirits, and colors, and having a good time , till they came into the house, they said they looked in utter horror at a bright light coming from one of us, so bright that they couldn't stand it!

They had come to get us all loaded on peyote, but God was not going to permit it !

Sometimes looking back at your life; when you were in the deepest sin, He had the most mercy; but now its time to grow up into the maturity He desires, so He can use spotless virgins!

God can use any vessel, but for His most noble and important tasks, where only His words will come out of your mouth, you must be as that spotless one, unspotted with sin of the world, or religious leaven!

Agape in Christ ;Ephraim.

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I have been searching for this article because I thought you may appreciate it:

http://www.theofframp.org/Detox.html

I found it very interesting!

[shammah]

It is very interesting;

That some are starting to realize the corporate structure that has been, needs to be replaced by true loving, lowly servants,communing with Christ! Each one also together and equal in Christ, and not in mass, not ordered by men, but the Holy Spirit, in intamate relationships!

You can see how he is trying to convince the church that they really aren't the body of Christ, in the very ways that they opperate!

He has the right message, but the fatal flaw is that the

multi-denominational monster called the church; this beast trying to unite; can not be converted in mass to the true body of Christ; but it can only be done one person at a time !

Agape in Christ; Ephraim