Last and Second

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Drs81

 

You have answered nothing.  Please reread.

 

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Drs81

 

You have answered nothing.

 

How so. What exactly is the answer you're looking for.

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EnochBethany

 

You have explained what the Last Adam and Second Man did.  And I agree.  But , no, you havent explained why Jesus is called the Last Adam or Second Man.

 

For example, in those same verses, Adam is called Adam and the first man.  He is Adam and he was the first man.  But Jesus is not called 'another' or the 'second'  Adam.  And He is not called another Man.  He is called the Last Adam and the Second Man.

 

How is Jesus the Last Adam?   How is Jesus the Second Man.  Because Jesus was not the second man as Adam was the first man, as Cain was the second man.  Many men had been born prior to Jesus Christ.

 

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I take it that Christ founded a new race of the children of God, and He is the first transformed man of the new creation.  That IMHO is why (por que, warum).

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DRS81

 

Im looking for why Christ is called the Last Adam and Second Man.

 

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EnochBethany

 

You say Christ is the first transformed man of a new creation.  But Christ is not called the second Adam or the first man.  He is called the Last Adam and the Second Man.

 

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DRS81

 

Im looking for why Christ is called the Last Adam and Second Man.

 

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Sometimes commentary helps too. Either way, I hope you find what you're looking for. Blessings, DRS81.

 

the first man Adam was made a living soul: http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-corinthians-15-45.html

in the Hebrew text it is, man, or Adam, became, or was made a living soul; that is, as the apostle says, "the first man Adam": he calls him, as the Jews frequently do, (Nwvarh Mda) , "the first man"; he was the first man that was made, and the first parent of mankind, and the head and representative of all his posterity, and so the first in time, causality and dignity; whose name was Adam, so called by God in the day he was created, because he was formed (hmdah Nm) , "from the ground, or earth"; when God breathed life into the earthly mass, or lump; and being animated with a rational soul, it became an animal body, or a living creature; and so the apostle proves, from the first man that was upon earth, that there is a natural, or animal body; a body animated by a soul, and which was supported by eating and drinking, by sleep and rest; and was capable of dying, and should die, in case of sin; and which was the state of it in its first creation, whilst in innocence, and before the fall; and this is all he meant to prove by this Scripture; for what follows is not mentioned as therein written, or elsewhere, but as the apostle's own assertion:

the last Adam was made a quickening spirit:

by "the last Adam" is meant Jesus Christ, called Adam, because he is really and truly a man, a partaker of the same flesh and blood as the rest of mankind; and because he is the antitype of the first man Adam, who was a figure of him that was to come; and therefore called Adam, for the same reason as he is called David and Solomon: he is said to be "the last", in distinction from the first Adam, with respect to him he stood, (Nwrxa) , last upon the earth, as in ( Job 19:25 ) to which passage some think the apostle here alludes; and because he appeared in the last days in the end of the world, and is the last that shall rise up as a common head and representative of the whole, or any part of mankind: now he is made "a quickening spirit"; which some understand of the Holy Spirit, which filled the human nature of Christ, raised him from the dead, and will quicken our mortal bodies at the last day; others of the divine nature of Christ, to which his flesh, or human nature, was united; and which gave life, rigour, and virtue, to all his actions and sufferings, as man; and by which he was quickened, when put to death in the flesh, and by which he will quicken others another day: though rather I think it is to be understood of his spiritual body, of his body, not as it was made of the virgin, for that was a natural, or an animal one; it was conceived and bred, and born as animal bodies are; it grew and increased, and was nourished with meat and drink, and sleep and rest; and was subject to infirmities, and to death itself, as our bodies be; but it is to be understood of it as raised from the dead, when it was made a spiritual body, for which reason it is called a "spirit": not that it was changed into a spirit, for it still remained flesh and blood; but because it was no more supported in an animal way; nor subject to those weaknesses that animal bodies are, but lives as spirits, or angels do; and a quickening one, not only because it has life itself, but because by virtue of the saints' union to it, as it subsists in the divine person of the Son of God, their bodies will be quickened at the last day, and made like unto it, spiritual bodies; also because he lives in his body as a spiritual one, they shall live in theirs as spiritual ones: and so the apostle shows, that there is a spiritual, as well as an animal body; that as the first man's body, even before the fall, was an animal or natural one; the last Adam's body upon his resurrection is a spiritual and life giving one, as the Syriac version renders it; so the Cabalistic writers F2 speak of

    ``Adam; who is the holy and supreme, who rules over all, and gives spirit and life to all.''

 

the second man is the Lord from heaven; http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-corinthians-15-47.html

as Adam was the first man, Christ is the second man; and these two are spoken of, as it they were the only two men in the world; because as the former was the head and representative of all his natural posterity, so the latter is the head and representative of all his spiritual offspring: and he is "the Lord from heaven"; in distinction from the first man, who was of the earth, and whose lordship reached only to the earth; whereas Christ is Lord of all, not only Lord of lords below, but Lord of angels and saints above; the whole family in heaven and in earth is named of him; and he has all power in heaven and in earth, and a name above every name in this world, and that to come, and is indeed higher than the heavens: this is not to be understood of his human nature, or of his human body, as if that came down from heaven, and passed through the virgin, as some heretics of old said, as water through a pipe; for though it was conceived and formed in a miraculous manner, under the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost from on high, yet was formed out of the matter and substance of the virgin, and so was of the earth; and was indeed an earthly body, supported by earthly means, and at last returned to the earth, and was interred in it: but it is to be understood either of Christ as a divine person, as the Son of God, as Lord of all, coming down from heaven at his incarnation; not by local motion, or change of place, but by assumption of the human nature into union with him, the Lord from heaven; or rather of him as he shall descend from heaven, as the Lord and Judge of all at the last day, when he will come in his glorious, spiritual, and heavenly body; and raise the righteous dead, and fashion their bodies like his own; when what follows will have its full accomplishment. The Cabalistic doctors among the Jews often speak F5 of (Nwyle Mda) , "the superior man", and (Nwtxt Mdaw) , "the inferior man"; and in their Cabalistic table F6, in the sixth "sephirah", or number, they place the man from above, the heavenly Adam; and, in one of their writings F7, have these remarkable words,

    ``(anynt Mdaw hale Mda Nam) , "who is the supreme man and the second man", but of whom it is said, ( Proverbs 30:4 ) "what is his name, and what is his son's name?" what is his name? this is the supreme man; what is his son's name? this is the inferior man; and both of them are intimated in that Scripture, ( Exodus 3:13 ) "and they shall say unto me, what is his name? what shall I say?"''

Some copies, and the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; leave out the word "Lord", and add the word "heavenly", reading the clause thus, "the second man from heaven, heavenly".

 

[missmuffet]

Adam became the first living being.Christ is the life-giving Spirit.The natural Adam came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth.Yes,Christ has existed from eternity,He is still called the second man.Christ came as a human baby,but He did not originate from the earth,He "came from heaven".

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DRS81

 

Concerning the 'Last Adam', I believe the commentary hit on it in the second paragraph when he said, " is the last that shall rise up as a common head and representative of the whole, or any part of mankind;..."

 

Adam represented his race as the first Adam. The first head and representative.   Christ represents another race as the ' Last Adam'.  In giving Christ the title as the 'Last Adam' God is showing us that there will never be another head or representative of the race.  Thus He is not called the second Adam.  He is never the second Adam for to say there is a second implies there will be more.  Thus there will always be only those in Adam or in Christ.

 

Concerning the 'Second Man' the commentary touches on it when he says, " ...these two are spoken of, as if they were the only two men in the world;..."   But that is as close as he gets.  Which leaves the question, why does God call Christ the Second Man?

 

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Adam became the first living being.Christ is the life-giving Spirit.The natural Adam came first on this earth and was made from the dust of the earth.Yes,Christ has existed from eternity,He is still called the second man.Christ came as a human baby,but He did not originate from the earth,He "came from heaven".

 

But why is Christ called the 'Second Man'?   When He numerically wasn't the 'Second Man'.   And as Head of a new race He is not the second but the Last.

 

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[Guest DRS81]

Concerning the 'Second Man' the commentary touches on it when he says, " ...these two are spoken of, as if they were the only two men in the world;..."   But that is as close as he gets.  Which leaves the question, why does God call Christ the Second Man?

 

Read on after the because....as if they were the only two men in the world; because as the former was the head etc............

 

You ask why and commentary says because....he's telling you why......there's a whole paragraph there....

 

the second man is the Lord from heaven; http://www.biblestud...ians-15-47.html

as Adam was the first man, Christ is the second man; and these two are spoken of, as if they were the only two men in the world; because as the former was the head and representative of all his natural posterity, so the latter is the head and representative of all his spiritual offspring: and he is "the Lord from heaven"; in distinction from the first man, who was of the earth, and whose lordship reached only to the earth; whereas Christ is Lord of all, not only Lord of lords below, but Lord of angels and saints above; the whole family in heaven and in earth is named of him; and he has all power in heaven and in earth, and a name above every name in this world, and that to come, and is indeed higher than the heavens: this is not to be understood of his human nature, or of his human body, as if that came down from heaven, and passed through the virgin, as some heretics of old said, as water through a pipe; for though it was conceived and formed in a miraculous manner, under the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost from on high, yet was formed out of the matter and substance of the virgin, and so was of the earth; and was indeed an earthly body, supported by earthly means, and at last returned to the earth, and was interred in it: but it is to be understood either of Christ as a divine person, as the Son of God, as Lord of all, coming down from heaven at his incarnation; not by local motion, or change of place, but by assumption of the human nature into union with him, the Lord from heaven; or rather of him as he shall descend from heaven, as the Lord and Judge of all at the last day, when he will come in his glorious, spiritual, and heavenly body; and raise the righteous dead, and fashion their bodies like his own; when what follows will have its full accomplishment. The Cabalistic doctors among the Jews often speak F5 of (Nwyle Mda) , "the superior man", and (Nwtxt Mdaw) , "the inferior man"; and in their Cabalistic table F6, in the sixth "sephirah", or number, they place the man from above, the heavenly Adam; and, in one of their writings F7, have these remarkable words,

    ``(anynt Mdaw hale Mda Nam) , "who is the supreme man and the second man", but of whom it is said, ( Proverbs 30:4 ) "what is his name, and what is his son's name?" what is his name? this is the supreme man; what is his son's name? this is the inferior man; and both of them are intimated in that Scripture, ( Exodus 3:13 ) "and they shall say unto me, what is his name? what shall I say?"''

Some copies, and the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; leave out the word "Lord", and add the word "heavenly", reading the clause thus, "the second man from heaven, heavenly".