saved34 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I believe there are things that we can cause or bring upon our own selves(Peter says if we suffer for our own wrong doings we are to do it with patience) but in the over all scheme of things God is in full control and uses each and every occurrence in our lives as a tool for molding and shaping us. Because he has charged himself with our care and well being, neither death nor life can overcome his love for us. Things present or things to come cannot change his care for us. So everything may not happen for a specific reason as in God caused it, but God delivers us out of, or through every peril, and he ALLOWS us to be tested or suffer in order for our own growth and maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 The fact that God has control over everything in this world is called "God's Sovereignty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC02 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/26/1971 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Well I am a nuckehead and I have certainly brought some things upon myself. Even so, like the verse Izzel quoted (Rom. 8:28), God has used some bad times to make me a lot stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 545 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 116 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/16/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2014 Yes I believe that ALL things work together for good ...Rom 8:28 I also believe that we "reap what we sow".......there are always consequences to our actions whether good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGTG Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 14 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) On 3/8/2014 at 9:58 PM, bopeep1909 said: Do you guys believe that some things happen and they are just a consequence or do you believe that nothing is ever a consquence and everything that happens is done by God? Edited May 9, 2020 by AGTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yes I believe everything happens for a reason, and there is no such thing as chance. I wrote this a few years back as part of a predestination debate we were having, but it still says what i think... Chance can do nothing because it is nothing. We use the word chance to describe mathematical probabilities. A flipped coin has a 50/50 chance to come up heads. If it comes up tails we say we had bad luck and we missed our chance. How much influence did chance have on that flip? We would know a bit more if we knew what side the coin was on when flipped, the exertion of the thumb, the density of the air, the weight of the coin, and how many revolutions it made. If we knew this our chances of prediction would far exceed 50/50. We can’t measure the factors, so we simplify the matter by talking about chance. But in reality chance exerts no influence at all on the coin toss. Why not? Because chance cannot do anything, because it is nothing! Before something can do something, exert power or influence, it must be something! It must be an entity, either physical or nonphysical. Chance is neither. It is a mental construct; it has no power or no being. It is nothing. To say something happened by chance is to say that it was a coincidence, which is simply a confession that we cannot perceive all the forces and powers that work in an event. And so it is with the complex affairs of life that are beyond our exact ability to fathom. So we invent the word chance to explain them, it is a word we use as shorthand for our ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Do you guys believe that some things happen and they are just a consequence or do you believe that nothing is ever a consquence and everything that happens is done by God? No some of it is random otherwise there would be no concept of free will. However, there are consequences of everything that we do and God knows all and records all, but he does not predetermine all. Therefore not everything happens for a reason but most things probably do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yes I believe everything happens for a reason, and there is no such thing as chance. I wrote this a few years back as part of a predestination debate we were having, but it still says what i think... Chance can do nothing because it is nothing. We use the word chance to describe mathematical probabilities. A flipped coin has a 50/50 chance to come up heads. If it comes up tails we say we had bad luck and we missed our chance. How much influence did chance have on that flip? We would know a bit more if we knew what side the coin was on when flipped, the exertion of the thumb, the density of the air, the weight of the coin, and how many revolutions it made. If we knew this our chances of prediction would far exceed 50/50. We can’t measure the factors, so we simplify the matter by talking about chance. But in reality chance exerts no influence at all on the coin toss. Why not? Because chance cannot do anything, because it is nothing! Before something can do something, exert power or influence, it must be something! It must be an entity, either physical or nonphysical. Chance is neither. It is a mental construct; it has no power or no being. It is nothing. To say something happened by chance is to say that it was a coincidence, which is simply a confession that we cannot perceive all the forces and powers that work in an event. And so it is with the complex affairs of life that are beyond our exact ability to fathom. So we invent the word chance to explain them, it is a word we use as shorthand for our ignorance. I agree with everything you say..... but I don't quite. I can't explain it very well. Chance is nothing, you're right, but nevertheless not everything happens for a reason, at least not a reason of any importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2014 Perhaps you are looking for the reason in the wrong place. Just because we do not see the reason at first, we should not decline that there is a reason, but instead, pray that God shows us the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted March 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Perhaps you are looking for the reason in the wrong place. Just because we do not see the reason at first, we should not decline that there is a reason, but instead, pray that God shows us the reason. I'm not saying there is never a reason, just sometimes an reason of no consequence. The trouble is we don't always know whether it is a reason of no consequence or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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