Guest LadyC Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 not to be negative, but it's hard for me to have sympathy, or empathy, with bundy. i mean, i do on the one hand, because i'm outraged like everyone else at the BLM and what they're doing. but on the other hand, the BLM has been playing this nasty, and worse, with the wild mustangs... for YEARS! and why? to benefit ranchers (including bundy) who wanted their cattle to graze on open range territory. ranchers like bundy have lobbied against allowing God's creatures to roam naturally where they belong for so long, and so successfully, that wild mustangs are endangered because of them. so while yes, it's a reason to be angry at the government, there's that part of me that wants to say "serves ya right, sucker." having lived in vegas for a decade, and the plight of the mustangs having been one of the issues nearest to my heart, i just had to voice my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Let this be a lesson for a government that is totally out of control. They no longer recognize that they work for us. Our liberties were fought for by men who were willing to die for them, and this shows that our fight is not over. Cheers Amen Thunder, The men who fought and did for our liberties realized that some things are worth dying for. We honor their memory and say thank you . We need to get back to where this country was when God was it's foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 not to be negative, but it's hard for me to have sympathy, or empathy, with bundy. i mean, i do on the one hand, because i'm outraged like everyone else at the BLM and what they're doing. but on the other hand, the BLM has been playing this nasty, and worse, with the wild mustangs... for YEARS! and why? to benefit ranchers (including bundy) who wanted their cattle to graze on open range territory. ranchers like bundy have lobbied against allowing God's creatures to roam naturally where they belong for so long, and so successfully, that wild mustangs are endangered because of them. so while yes, it's a reason to be angry at the government, there's that part of me that wants to say "serves ya right, sucker." having lived in vegas for a decade, and the plight of the mustangs having been one of the issues nearest to my heart, i just had to voice my opinion. That's fine, LadyC. Part of living in a fallen world is that so little is often pure black and white. Even pure river water contains microorganisms that can be harmful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 thanks neb. i was afraid i might get stoned for being critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 thanks neb. i was afraid i might get stoned for being critical. You are welcome. It helps that you explained your criticism in a humble spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 see the sad thing is, and what always had me so riled up, is that there is plenty of land for both the cattle and the horses. i mean yeah, it's desert territory, i get that. but the wild horses are used to eating scrub, and the herds were actually so few and far between that it wasn't encroaching so much on the ranchers anyway. and the land isn't owned by the ranchers to begin with. and the wild horses are herded up with helicoptors and suvs, just like bundy's cattle... and after being terrorized and herded into pens, then they're carted away to be held in places where they are over crowded and under staffed, and the mustangs that are captured become so malnourished and anemic that they often die, or have to be put down. people think that there's this great adoption thing going on, but the vast majority of horses don't get adopted. they just die. and the BLM continues this practice even though they're endangering the whole species. anyway, i don't like the government interfering with the livelihood of the cattle ranchers, really. i just hope that maybe now that they're getting a taste of their own medicine, maybe they'll stop lobbying so hard to annihilate the mustangs. i'll shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted April 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,738 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 8,551 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I hope the feds leave Bundy alone he should have every right to graze his cattle there. @lady Im not sure where your side track on horses came from, but I see no evidence bundy has ever fought against the mustang. and even if he had, I fail to see the problem. Mustangs were never a native species nor were they wild originally-they were a domestic breed brought over by the spainiards, and while theyre animals, not to sound cruel but I can see the ranchers perspective here-unlike the tortoise-the horses eat the same food the cattle does, which means less grazing for the herd. Now I dont think that the horses ought to be killed/run off, to me thats just the hazard of grazing on public land, but I do understand where they are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 i stated my position, i won't bore people with continuing my rant, patriot. unless you'd like to discuss it in another thread or in private, i'll just say thanks for allowing me the opportunity to vent without a public stoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Chilling Truth: The Siege of the Bundy Ranch Reaches into the White House April 13, 2014 By Sara Noble In the end, there is only one reason why the Bundy ranch was besieged. President Obama had to have taken the lead. He knew it was going on and he sanctioned it. Beyond oil, solar, and Chinese Communists with money, lurks Obama’s Agenda. InfoWars has found a smoking gun in the case of embattled rancher Cliven Bundy. A lucrative contract – which will benefit Harry Reid and his son Rory Reid – specifically mentions the need to rid the land of Cliven Bundy. In addition, Natural News pointed out that the BLM is in the business of selling lucrative oil and gas leases. It does answer the question, Why now? There is a much bigger picture in all of this, however, and that is the fact Mr. Obama believes the government should control the land and water in the United States. He sees the government as the protector of the nation’s resources. It is his belief. He does not respect private property – it is the government’s to take. That should now be obvious to everyone. Read more here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,390 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,140 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2014 Chilling Truth: The Siege of the Bundy Ranch Reaches into the White House April 13, 2014 By Sara Noble In the end, there is only one reason why the Bundy ranch was besieged. President Obama had to have taken the lead. He knew it was going on and he sanctioned it. Beyond oil, solar, and Chinese Communists with money, lurks Obama’s Agenda. InfoWars has found a smoking gun in the case of embattled rancher Cliven Bundy. A lucrative contract – which will benefit Harry Reid and his son Rory Reid – specifically mentions the need to rid the land of Cliven Bundy. In addition, Natural News pointed out that the BLM is in the business of selling lucrative oil and gas leases. It does answer the question, Why now? There is a much bigger picture in all of this, however, and that is the fact Mr. Obama believes the government should control the land and water in the United States. He sees the government as the protector of the nation’s resources. It is his belief. He does not respect private property – it is the government’s to take. That should now be obvious to everyone. Read more here Now the question is...... will the general public learn of this, and if they do what if anything are "We the People" willing to do about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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