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From wiki:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

 

 

Historian Mark R. Cohen writes that conclusions about Jewish life under Islamic rule can only be derived through a comparative approach. Jews of Islam experienced less physical violence than Jews under Western Christendom.^[32] Cohen believes a reason for this may be that Islam, unlike Christianity, did not need to establish a separate identity from Judaism.^[33] He also states that Jewish people were less threatening to Muslims than Christians during the Middle Ages.^[34] Isolated events of persecution did occur but this does not change the fact that Jewish people were treated adequately.^[35] Cohen also notes that many people have used the myth that Jews were mistreated under Muslim rule to bolster their political standpoints in response to propaganda

 

I am also adding a link for the term dhimmi, which was a legal status for a non-Muslim living in a Muslim land. Today, in some Muslim countries, dhimmis are no longer allowed to live in the countries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

 

Don't believe Cohen. He is a politically-correct revisionist. A lot of Muslim history has been debunked. There are many other sources from Jewish writers at the time who have explained just how harsh life was for Jews under Muslim rule. Islam was very harsh on Jews.

Cohen is amongst the many 'Progressive Liberal' historians who is telling the multicultural audience what it wants to hear - make Islam look good, make Christianity look bad.

 

Just about everything I have read from the Jewish view, puts the life under Islamic rule, comparitively better then under European rule. The Jewish people, until 1948, were scattered (and still are scattered). So, there is a lot written about life in various countries and what it was like.

 

While there has been persecution in the U.S., the general feeling is that the U.S. has been good to the Jewish people. .   

 

 

Have you read from Jewish sources at the time?

You have also got to remember that some Jews would be tolerated under Islamic rule because they could manage administration and accounts, something that Muslims were useless at.. These were the Jews who worked in the Caliph courts. They were relatively well-treated until they outlived their usefulness.

 

 

In the Sephardic community, one thing to remember was that Sephardic Jews escaped from Spain, and moved to some Muslim countries to escape persection, so their accounts show a better life under Muslim rule.  

 

Comparitively speaking, in European countries, Jewish people were not just presecuted, but were restricted in work or professions. So, making a living was very difficult. There were less restrictions in Muslim countries. In Europe, the Jewish people were blamed for various tragedies, including the plague, economic downturns, etc. This blame resulted in murdering Jews in mass. While there were areas of persecution in Muslim countries, it was not as massive, or as much false blame. The laws of the dhimmi kept away violent persecution for the most part.

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From wiki:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

 

 

Historian Mark R. Cohen writes that conclusions about Jewish life under Islamic rule can only be derived through a comparative approach. Jews of Islam experienced less physical violence than Jews under Western Christendom.^[32] Cohen believes a reason for this may be that Islam, unlike Christianity, did not need to establish a separate identity from Judaism.^[33] He also states that Jewish people were less threatening to Muslims than Christians during the Middle Ages.^[34] Isolated events of persecution did occur but this does not change the fact that Jewish people were treated adequately.^[35] Cohen also notes that many people have used the myth that Jews were mistreated under Muslim rule to bolster their political standpoints in response to propaganda

 

I am also adding a link for the term dhimmi, which was a legal status for a non-Muslim living in a Muslim land. Today, in some Muslim countries, dhimmis are no longer allowed to live in the countries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

 

Don't believe Cohen. He is a politically-correct revisionist. A lot of Muslim history has been debunked. There are many other sources from Jewish writers at the time who have explained just how harsh life was for Jews under Muslim rule. Islam was very harsh on Jews.

Cohen is amongst the many 'Progressive Liberal' historians who is telling the multicultural audience what it wants to hear - make Islam look good, make Christianity look bad.

 

Just about everything I have read from the Jewish view, puts the life under Islamic rule, comparitively better then under European rule. The Jewish people, until 1948, were scattered (and still are scattered). So, there is a lot written about life in various countries and what it was like.

 

While there has been persecution in the U.S., the general feeling is that the U.S. has been good to the Jewish people. .   

 

 

Have you read from Jewish sources at the time?

You have also got to remember that some Jews would be tolerated under Islamic rule because they could manage administration and accounts, something that Muslims were useless at.. These were the Jews who worked in the Caliph courts. They were relatively well-treated until they outlived their usefulness.

 

 

In the Sephardic community, one thing to remember was that Sephardic Jews escaped from Spain, and moved to some Muslim countries to escape persection, so their accounts show a better life under Muslim rule.  

 

Comparitively speaking, in European countries, Jewish people were not just presecuted, but were restricted in work or professions. So, making a living was very difficult. There were less restrictions in Muslim countries. In Europe, the Jewish people were blamed for various tragedies, including the plague, economic downturns, etc. This blame resulted in murdering Jews in mass. While there were areas of persecution in Muslim countries, it was not as massive, or as much false blame. The laws of the dhimmi kept away violent persecution for the most part.

 

 

You defend Islam as much as you like, I'm not stopping you. Any persecution of Jews in Europe was under the Roman Catholic Church. It's nothing to do with scripture.

Muslim persecution of Jews, however is part of Muslim scripture. Do you not think that Jews were restricted from certain professions under Muslim rule too?

Dhimmification was often a cover for persecution and in some cases was worse because it wasn't just in sporadic outbursts. It was a continuous state of near-slavery. Jews were often taunted in public, had stones thrown at them by children and were forbidden from defending themselves. They had to wear certain clothes, had to treat all Muslims as their masters and were often executed for the most trivial of things.

Persecution of Jews in Europe more or less ended after the Middle Ages but continued under the Ottomans until the Nineteenth Century or later. It still persists today in Islamic Republics.

Of course, an exception to European persecution of Jews was Nazi Germany, but I think that we both know what that was all about.

[Qnts2]

 

 

 

In the Sephardic community, one thing to remember was that Sephardic Jews escaped from Spain, and moved to some Muslim countries to escape persection, so their accounts show a better life under Muslim rule.  

 

Comparitively speaking, in European countries, Jewish people were not just presecuted, but were restricted in work or professions. So, making a living was very difficult. There were less restrictions in Muslim countries. In Europe, the Jewish people were blamed for various tragedies, including the plague, economic downturns, etc. This blame resulted in murdering Jews in mass. While there were areas of persecution in Muslim countries, it was not as massive, or as much false blame. The laws of the dhimmi kept away violent persecution for the most part.

 

 

You defend Islam as much as you like, I'm not stopping you. Any persecution of Jews in Europe was under the Roman Catholic Church. It's nothing to do with scripture.

Muslim persecution of Jews, however is part of Muslim scripture. Do you not think that Jews were restricted from certain professions under Muslim rule too?

Dhimmification was often a cover for persecution and in some cases was worse because it wasn't just in sporadic outbursts. It was a continuous state of near-slavery. Jews were often taunted in public, had stones thrown at them by children and were forbidden from defending themselves. They had to wear certain clothes, had to treat all Muslims as their masters and were often executed for the most trivial of things.

Persecution of Jews in Europe more or less ended after the Middle Ages but continued under the Ottomans until the Nineteenth Century or later. It still persists today in Islamic Republics.

Of course, an exception to European persecution of Jews was Nazi Germany, but I think that we both know what that was all about.

 

 

My whole point was that for the Jewish people, who are living in exhile, no country is perfect. There is a level of persecution in every country. There are inidividuals in every country who have a dislike for Jewish people, bad information about Jewish people or are anti-semitic which results in bad treatment. In the middle ages, a Jewish person could not find a country free of prejudice, but instead was fortunate and considered themselves well off if they found a country which had less prejudice or better laws, then others.  

 

The law concerning the dhimmi, which existed in Muslim countries, allowed for Jewish people to live there with relatively little persecution or restrictions compared to other countries. For the Jewish people, paying the tax gave them the right to practice their religion, live in a Jewish community in their own homes, and land, and have almost any job (there were very few which were not allowed), and finally, for that tax, the government would protect the Jewish people who paid. That was a huge deal, compared to other countries. So, the status of a dhimmi, is not always bad. Depending on your personal situation. For the Jewish people seeking refuge from far worse, life in the Muslim countries was considered good. Few other places allowed those kinds of benefits.

 

It was not until the late 1800's or early 1900's, that things started to turn bad. The formation of Israel caused sever persecution, and many Jewish people were either forcibly expelled, or left due to the threat of life. In the gulf wars, more Jewish people had to leave. Today, there are few Jewish people who live in Muslim countries.

 

The following site gives an an answer to the Jewish population in various Muslim countries.

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110125114615AAhW22S     

 

But, since the original post was about the laws and status of being dhimmi, I thought to give a different perspective from the Jewish population which lived in that status for hundreds of year. For the Jewish people, living as a dhimmi was considered a good life, compared to whatever else was out there at that time.