The Root Cause of Islamic Terrorism is the Quran...

[Apocalypse2007]

PDM said "I'll state upfront that I am Jewish.  I practice Orthodox, and do not subscribe to any Christian doctrine whatsoever and have no intention of doing so."

Jewish people don't have to be Christians to get to heaven anyways.  God's chosen people are the exception.  There has to be Jewish people who don't believe Jesus is Lord anyways otherwise the Temple Mount would never get rebuilt a 3rd time and animal sacrifices would never occur on the Temple to God since the animal sacrifices are only going to be done because the Jewish people don't believe Jesus was the Lamb who died for our sins.  Of course Satan will eventually stop the sacrifices because the Temple Mount won't be rebuilt until the anti-christ comes, but whe he does 3 1/2 years into the Tribulation he will declare himself God and defile the Holy Temple when he sits upon at.  Then he will go out and call for the death of everyone who doesn't worship him and the only 2 groups of people who won't worship him are the Jews and the Christians.

[Guest Jipsah]

I understand there are two different version of the koran...one for the muslims (which says to kill the infidels), and one for us , which is not nearly as violent.

No, there ain't but the one, and it's violent enough to suit just about anyone.

[Guest Jipsah]

RabbiJesus, You state that Allah is the same thing as G-d. However, you neglect to acknowlede the fact that Mohamed attributed to Allah aspects which he found convenient to his

[PDM]

Jipsa wrote

The "Allah ain't really God" argument is exceptionally silly.

Jipsa, did you read the paper I made reference to?

If you have a classic 65 Mustang and add Porche parts to it wherever you can.  Is it still a classic 65 Mustang?

I say no.  It is a mutilated version of a 65 Mustang.

So if you apply to G-d (which is absolute truth) aspects which are clearly false, do you still have absolute truth?  

I don't care what the Muslim intention is.  I care about the truth.  

Your poison analogy proves my point.  Because you dress up some poison (Allah), and make it look like a favorite drink, G-d, does that mean it is really G-d?  NO  its poison.

And to further the point.  If you add poison to your favorite drink, then you compromise the integrity of the favorite drink and it is no longer pure, and no longer can be defined as a "favorite drink".  It may look, tase, and smell like your favorite drink, but in REALITY...IN TRUTH, it is NOT your favorite drink.

So, some dumb Muslim thinks Allah (what they worship and murder in the name of) is G-d.  That doesn't make it G-d.  That makes it an error (and a deadly one at that).

It is truthful to say:

When a Muslim says "Allah", he or she means G-d.

It is an entirely different thing to say "Allah" is G-d, just in a different language.  

What IS truth, and what is perceived as truth are often two different things.  And the argument is not silly.

Apocalypse2007,

I didn't state my religious orientation to create an argument.  I did so merely to be upfront about the person making the post.

I thought this was a thread about <b>The Root Cause of Islamic Terrorism is the Quran... </b>

Now, I don't know anything about Satans or Lambs or anti-whatever, but I do know a little something about the purpose of the Third Temple, it's physical construction, and what is expected to occur there.

I suggest a short study of what the innermost chamber of the Temple is for.  And please find out what the Shechina is.  It will be quite interesting and contribute to the education of anyone interested in Jewish or Christian studies.

Interesting note:

During the time of the 2nd Holy Temple.  The intention of the high priest was compromised and they would seek the position for prestiege and not for the service of G-d.  Since nobody except that one man was permitted in the Holy of Holies (innermost chamber), if he died there, nobody could go in to retrieve him.  So, a rope was tied to the ankle of the priest.

The priests of the 2nd Temple were dragged out from the Holy of Holies as corpses.

[PDM]

Jipsah,

Misspelling your user name was not intentional.  I apologize.

[Apocalypse2007]

PDM said "I didn't state my religious orientation to create an argument.  I did so merely to be upfront about the person making the post."

Where is the argument?  I didn't post that as a hostile comment.  Are you an American Jew or are you in Israel?

There are lots of Christians in America who support Israel more than some of the liberal Jews in America.(again not an attack on you)  I support Israel over all the Islamic countries and the dumb socialist Europeans.  Christians have marched on Washington this year in support for Israel and a really large crowd has shown up.  So even if Bush did not want to support Israel his entire political base does forcing him to do so although I think he really does want to help them.

[PDM]

Apocalypse2007,

I didn't mean "argument" in a hostile manner.

I meant argument as in "debate" or theological argument.   Since the topic I was focused on was in relation of Islamic culture, I was stating that I wasn't welcoming a discussion or argument on another topic.

I am an American Jew.

I'm aware of the level of support that many Christians offer to Jews.  I actually read http://www.worldnetdaily.com almost every day.  And, if I was one to pick heroes (which I'm not) Joseph Farah would be a candidate.  I think that Christian support for Israel and Jews is stronger now than I have ever seen it.

For anyone unfamiliar with http://www.worldnetdaily.com it is a MUST.

I agree completely with you that religious Christians support Israel more than non-religious so-called liberal American (or Israeli for that matter) Jews.

Many religious Christians understand the difference between good and evil unlike moral relativist liberal Jews like Adam Shapiro or little Joseph Cohen (Islamic convert and Hamas supporter).

[Apocalypse2007]

The only reason Islamic Terrorism has been allowed to firment so long is because of the socialist Europeans.

To think they are calling for Sharon to come before their new world order internation criminal court on charges of terrorism when arafat is responsible for all of the terrorism.

To think liberals would have us believe that Sharon is bulldozing palestinian homes because he wants the people to suffer, that crap couldn't be farther from the truth.  As you probably already know the Islamic terrorists set traps of bombs and other dangerous devices on the doors of the homes so when Israel soldiers go looking for terrorists they get blown up.  What Sharon has done thus far has been nothing but defense of Israel.  It amazes me that a nation so small as Israel with less than 2% of the land in all of the Middle East is being blamed for the chaos by socialist Europeans and liberal Americans.  It takes a really stupid uneducated person to blame Israel for defending itself.

Like I said in another post had America suffered every attack Israel did the nation doing the attacks would have been carpet bombed, yet it is ok for Israel to have the #### blown out of them, and they are expected to sit idle and be charged with "terrorism" by socialist Europeans who are to chicken to fight their own fight.

The only European nation with any guts at all to stand up for what is right is Britian.  France, Germany, Russia, they are pawns of the arab world, all afraid and frightened that if they stood up to the arab terrorists and all the fanatics, that they would become as Israel is today, and so they would rather use Israel as their own sacrificial lamb to appease the demon religion of Islam.  Europe will fall, cowards never last long on this earth.  Britian I believe however is the exception.

[PDM]

Apocalypse2007,

Europe will get what it deserves for its inaction... the consequences of not dealing with Islamists.  

Even England waffles.  Did you catch the story a week or two ago in the Guardian?

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaff....00.html

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Mr Blunkett's visit to the Muslim centre came as it emerged that the Greater London Authority has failed in an attempt to stop a march in the capital this weekend by supporters of Osama bin Laden. The GLA refused to give permission to Al-Muhajiroun, a militant organisation that has called for terrorist attacks on western targets, to hold a rally in Trafalgar Square on Sunday, but it found that it had no legal right to do so.

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Well, if they don't have the "legal right" to defend against  the assembly of terrorist suporters and incitement, then they will have a problem finding the right to respond to terrorism in their country in a decisive manner.

Germany is even worse!  Guilt ridden from the Jew oven and gasssing days, they can't even bring themselves to kill evil people.  From one extreem to the other.  From killing the defenseless to preserving the lives of murderers (on second thought, maybe not such opposite extreemes).  Germany never learned.  In the news this week is how they want to save the precious life of Zacarias Moussaoui and don't want to hand over evidence against him unless we promise not to apply the death penalty.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....ny_dc_2

[sarcasm on]

After all, he didn't actually kill anybody.  Right?  Hey let's wait till he does, then we can give him a spanking!

[sarcasm off]

No good person wants to kill a human being.  Sometimes it is necessary (and commanded).  Killing 19 hijackers on Sept 10, 2001 would have saved 3,00 innocent lives.  Obviously unrealistic, but it still rings of truth.

I have a cousin who's such a pacifist that he would not utilize the death penalty for Osama bin Laden.  Hmmmm...what a sucker!

[PDM]

Wow!  major typo.

Clearly I meant 3,000 innocent lives (of the Sept 11, 2001 attacks).