What does this passage tell us about Jesus fulfilling the Old Law?

[jerryR34]

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

[jerryR34]

 

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

 

So, what is the punishment if you disobey your parents?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

 

So, what is the punishment if you disobey your parents?

 

I guess you go to bed without your supper.

[charlesj]

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.  He was born under the Mosaic Law, kept it, and fulfilled it.  Christians are under the Law of Christ. (1Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2)

Jesus and the apostles lived in the "last days" of the Mosaic Law.  All of the N.T. books were written before 70 A.D. and the writers, many times, referred to their time as "the last day, the last hour."  (Many today see "last days" and think it is referring to our time, 2100 years later.)

Jesus spoke of the age He lived in and then an age to come.  He made a statement about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.  Jesus said that those that blasphemed the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven in "this age' (the O.T. age He lived in.) or the age to come (N.T. age).  

Your servant in Christ

charlesj

 

p.s. Majority will disagree with me on The Book of Revelation being written before 70 A.D., but this is another subject and I won't comment at this time. 

(See writers such as Kenneth Gentry, Jim McGuiggan, Richard Rogers on their books on Revelation.)

Edited June 9, 2014 by charlesj

[Willa]

The people in the gospels were still under the law. Our Meshiach had not yet fulfilled the law perfectly and died in our place. Nor had He arisin and sent Their Holy Spirit to us. He came to fulfill the requirements of all the law, something we are not able to do. On the cross He said "it is finished".. He had done in His life all that He was sent to do. He had revealed His Father to us as He did nothing but what His Father told Him to do and say.. Now the rest was to be accomplished by His death and resurrection.

He was also the mediator of the new covenant of grace by His death and the shedding of blood. Hebrews 9:13-15

By the Holy Spirit we receive a heart of flesh, and the law is written on our hearts. We fulfill it by loving God with all our hearts, receiving His Son Yeshua HaMeshiach, and by loving others, especially other christians. We now live under the law of love. So I would do what is loving toward my parents and honor them in that way. We took care of them to the best of our ability and honored their wishes to die at home. It was much harder to do that to hubby's parents because they were abusive, but we tried. They hated Christians and always criticised what we did for them. But we continued to try to give them honor, respect and kindness.

Galatians 3:10-14 explains that those who don't keep the law perfectly are under a curse. But the just shall live by faith. Then Meshiach redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us so that Gentiles too can receive the promise of the Spirit by faith.

So we are now justified by faith apart from the works of the law, as was Abraham. Romans 3:28 Read Romans chapters 3 & 4.

Father God, please open my neighbors heart and eyes to the blessing of Your grace, Your undeserved favor. Help him to understand that being imperfect is sin and that he cannot go to heaven by keeping the law, [or even live the christian life that way] ,and that all of the old testament saints trusted in Your grace through faith.. Please give him a new heart and write Your Law on his heart so that he can live the law of love. Please pour out Your Spirit on him even as You did on the disciples at Pentacost, and as you did on Saul of Tarsus. Please reveal Yourself to him, Yeshua, as he seeks Your truth, and bless him abundantly. Amen

PS. If we love God and man we will love and honor our parents. But that might not mean to obey them if they are asking you to not follow God through His Son. We love Him first.

[jerryR34]

The people in the gospels were still under the law.

So, if  a child disobeyed/disrespted his or here parents it would be ok if they were stoned to death?  When did it become ok not to do that?

[jerryR34]

 

 

 

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

 

So, what is the punishment if you disobey your parents?

 

I guess you go to bed without your supper.

 

Beats the heck out of getting rocks tossed at you till you're dead I guess...I'm sure many children at that time may have gone to bed hungry anyway...

[jerryR34]

 

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

 

Matthew 15

New Living Translation (NLT)

Jesus Teaches about Inner Purity

15 Some Pharisees and teachers of religious law now arrived from Jerusalem to see Jesus. They asked him, ² “Why do your disciples disobey our age-old tradition? For they ignore our tradition of ceremonial hand washing before they eat.”

 

 

 

So, was Jesus saying they were wrong for not following the OT or was he saying they were right for disobeying an age-old tradition?  Which tradition was ok to dishonor and which on was not?

 

 

Matthew 15:3-7

King James Version (KJV)

³ But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

⁴ For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

⁵ But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

⁶ And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

⁷ Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

 

 

Seems like God wants us to keep the Deuteronomy laws. What say you? 

 

He was actually addressing Pharisaical hypocrisy.

 

Actually honoring your parents is a NT commandment as well. 

Where was that mentioned in the NT?  What parts of the OT do we throw away and which ones do we keep.  Seems to me this passage was saying we should keep the hand washing tradition as well as stoning disobedient children...

Edited June 9, 2014 by jerryR34

[Guest shiloh357]

The pharisees had a tradition called "corban" that allowed them to dedicate property to the Lord, fully consecrating it to His use.   Jesus was condemning the pharisees for misusing that tradition to absolve themselves from helping their parents when they were in need.  If their parents needed something the pharisee could just tell his parents that what they needed from him could not be supplied because it was "corban."   That way they could keep their wealth to themselves and not have to share it to help their parents.

 

They were using their  "corban" tradition to circumvent the law, while condemning others as law breakers. 

 

Where was that mentioned in the NT?

 

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother" (this is the first commandment with a promise), "that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land." (Eph 6:1-3)
 

Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. (Col 3:20)