The Beast From The Sea

[Semaj]

 

If you can't get the basic facts right....

 

how do you expect to understand scripture....

 

None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background....

 

Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions....

 

 

Beloved, Be Gentle

 

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. Titus 3:2

 

We're All Peddling As Fast As We Can~!

 

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11

 

Judge not less ye be judged.

[Semaj]

 

 

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

 

 

Is the highlighted statement meant to be tacky or did it just come out that way>> 

 

In your eyes it probably did.

[Semaj]

Hi Semaj,

 

I agree with you. Those comments about those historical kingdoms, people add to scripture. Glad you pointed that out.

Thanks Marilyn, hi.

[Semaj]

 

 

Those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon are titles FOR Satan, not another like him. Satan is that king, the angel of the bottomless pit.

 

In Rev.12:7 forward we are shown he and his angels will be cast down to this earth among us, in OUR dimension. He is coming 'here', on earth, in person, and the majority of the world will wonder at him, meaning they will wonder at who he is, not being able to recognize him as the devil in person. Pretty obvious many here aren't even ready for that, because of the thinking that it will be someone else other than Satan himself.

 

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

 

 

I see yet another here which must have an 'anvil' fall on them because of they are dull of hearing.

 

Rev.9

¹¹ And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

If you're going to claim understanding of the English language, you might try to learn what a subject and object in a sentence is. The subject is that "king" "which is the angel of the bottomless pit", and the objects are those other names he has, "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek.

 

Now little children, who is the "angel of the bottomless pit"? Satan.

 

Where in Rev 9 is Satan  mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

Edited September 25, 2014 by Semaj

[Semaj]

 

 

 

Those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon are titles FOR Satan, not another like him. Satan is that king, the angel of the bottomless pit.

 

In Rev.12:7 forward we are shown he and his angels will be cast down to this earth among us, in OUR dimension. He is coming 'here', on earth, in person, and the majority of the world will wonder at him, meaning they will wonder at who he is, not being able to recognize him as the devil in person. Pretty obvious many here aren't even ready for that, because of the thinking that it will be someone else other than Satan himself.

 

Satan gives his power and throne to the Beast, and the second Beast speaks like a dragon, but it really doesn't say that it is Satan himself.

Where do you get from scripture that Abaddon is another name for Satan. 

I'm not following your thoughts here?????

 

 

Satan is... the 2nd beast, a king (Rev.13:11 forward, Rev.17).

 

Both titles Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean 'Destroyer', yet another title of Satan's.

 

Another title of Satan mentioned where?

[Hindsfeet]

Another title of Satan mentioned where?

 

Rev 9:1 KJV - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:2 KJV - And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 9:3 KJV - And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:11 KJV - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

 

1. Abaddon = "destruction"

   1. ruin

   2. destruction

   3. the place of destruction

   4. the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth

2. Apollyon = "Destroyer"

   1. the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer

Edited September 26, 2014 by Hindsfeet

[other one]

 

 

 

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

 

 

Is the highlighted statement meant to be tacky or did it just come out that way>> 

 

In your eyes it probably did.

 

should we take a vote on it??

[Salty]

 

 

 

Those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon are titles FOR Satan, not another like him. Satan is that king, the angel of the bottomless pit.

 

In Rev.12:7 forward we are shown he and his angels will be cast down to this earth among us, in OUR dimension. He is coming 'here', on earth, in person, and the majority of the world will wonder at him, meaning they will wonder at who he is, not being able to recognize him as the devil in person. Pretty obvious many here aren't even ready for that, because of the thinking that it will be someone else other than Satan himself.

 

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

 

 

I see yet another here which must have an 'anvil' fall on them because of they are dull of hearing.

 

Rev.9

¹¹ And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

If you're going to claim understanding of the English language, you might try to learn what a subject and object in a sentence is. The subject is that "king" "which is the angel of the bottomless pit", and the objects are those other names he has, "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek.

 

Now little children, who is the "angel of the bottomless pit"? Satan.

 

Where in Rev 9 is Satan  mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

 

 

Right there in Rev.9:11, as that "angel of the bottomless pit". Who else do you think would warrant the ultimate Destroyer title? Do you not also understand how that Greek Apollyon title is from the Greek word that means to 'perish' (apollyomi)?

 

Satan is the 'son of perdition' also, because he has already been judged and sentenced with his angels to perish in the "lake of fire". Even in Rev.17 we were shown about the beast king that goes into 'perdition', and even in Rev.12:7 with Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in the last days.

[Semaj]

 

Another title of Satan mentioned where?

 

Rev 9:1 KJV - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:2 KJV - And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 9:3 KJV - And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:11 KJV - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

 

1. Abaddon = "destruction"

   1. ruin

   2. destruction

   3. the place of destruction

   4. the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth

2. Apollyon = "Destroyer"

   1. the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer

 

Where does it say Satan is the Destroyer, the king of the bottomless pit? It doesn't.  Instead scripture proves Satan and the Beast are two different entities.

 

Follow the chronology of events, an angel opens the bottomless pit releasing this king and his angels.

 

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

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Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

 

This Beast wages war with Christ after Satan gives him his power.

 

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

 

The very next chapter is Satan being  bound for a 1,000 years after the Beast's defeat! The Beast and the false prophet are burning in the lake of fire while Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs.

 

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

Notice the angel has the key and is not given the key as in Rev 9:1 when he first opens the pit and releases the Beast.

 

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Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

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The Beast is not Satan. But I know where you get your train of thought, from the so-called early church fathers.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Semaj

[Semaj]

 

 

 

 

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

 

 

Is the highlighted statement meant to be tacky or did it just come out that way>> 

 

In your eyes it probably did.

 

should we take a vote on it??

 

Let's stick to the positive agenda.