The Beast From The Sea

[Semaj]

 

 

Where in Rev 9 is Satan  mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

 

 

 

Right there in Rev.9:11, as that "angel of the bottomless pit". Who else do you think would warrant the ultimate Destroyer title? Do you not also understand how that Greek Apollyon title is from the Greek word that means to 'perish' (apollyomi)?

 

Satan is the 'son of perdition' also, because he has already been judged and sentenced with his angels to perish in the "lake of fire". Even in Rev.17 we were shown about the beast king that goes into 'perdition', and even in Rev.12:7 with Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in the last days.

 

The Beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire in Rev 19:19-21 when Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs  in Rev 20:1-3, the chronological order of events. They are two different entities. Note the key for the bottomless pit is recieved by the angel in Rev 9:1 when he releases the Beast, but he has the keys when he bounds Satan in Rev 20:1-3. They are two different events. Your church fathers are wrong.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Semaj

[other one]

Those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon are titles FOR Satan, not another like him. Satan is that king, the angel of the bottomless pit.

In Rev.12:7 forward we are shown he and his angels will be cast down to this earth among us, in OUR dimension. He is coming 'here', on earth, in person, and the majority of the world will wonder at him, meaning they will wonder at who he is, not being able to recognize him as the devil in person. Pretty obvious many here aren't even ready for that, because of the thinking that it will be someone else other than Satan himself.

If you can't get the basic facts right, how do you expect to understand scripture? None of the highlighted statements have any scriptural background. Why are you adding to scripture or making up unfounded conclusions?

I see yet another here which must have an 'anvil' fall on them because of they are dull of hearing.

Rev.9

¹¹ And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

If you're going to claim understanding of the English language, you might try to learn what a subject and object in a sentence is. The subject is that "king" "which is the angel of the bottomless pit", and the objects are those other names he has, "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek.

Now little children, who is the "angel of the bottomless pit"? Satan.

Where in Rev 9 is Satan mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

Right there in Rev.9:11, as that "angel of the bottomless pit". Who else do you think would warrant the ultimate Destroyer title? Do you not also understand how that Greek Apollyon title is from the Greek word that means to 'perish' (apollyomi)?

Satan is the 'son of perdition' also, because he has already been judged and sentenced with his angels to perish in the "lake of fire". Even in Rev.17 we were shown about the beast king that goes into 'perdition', and even in Rev.12:7 with Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in the last days.

It is speaking of Azazel, not Satan.

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Its very simple> A man comes from the nations!> that's it.

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And That's the 10 kings of the {WEU} .

[Semaj]

There's no gap between the beast kingdoms and kings. The 10 horns are the first 10 Roman Emperors beginning with Augustus Caesar.

 

Daniel's 10 horns is Revelation's 10 horns.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Semaj

[Salty]

 

 

 

Where in Rev 9 is Satan  mentioned, from a reading comprehension perspective?

 

 

 

Right there in Rev.9:11, as that "angel of the bottomless pit". Who else do you think would warrant the ultimate Destroyer title? Do you not also understand how that Greek Apollyon title is from the Greek word that means to 'perish' (apollyomi)?

 

Satan is the 'son of perdition' also, because he has already been judged and sentenced with his angels to perish in the "lake of fire". Even in Rev.17 we were shown about the beast king that goes into 'perdition', and even in Rev.12:7 with Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in the last days.

 

The Beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire in Rev 19:19-21 when Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs  in Rev 20:1-3, the chronological order of events. They are two different entities. Note the key for the bottomless pit is recieved by the angel in Rev 9:1 when he releases the Beast, but he has the keys when he bounds Satan in Rev 20:1-3. They are two different events. Your church fathers are wrong.

 

 

There's more than one 'beast' written in Rev.13. The 1st beast is his kingdom that's given in the Rev.13:1-2 verses, as ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. That is not the 2nd beast, or one who speaks as a dragon.

 

The "false prophet" is a role Satan (dragon) will play. That's why that role of the false prophet is cast into the lake of fire along with the beast (the whole concept), prior to Christ's thousand years reign, while Satan is not.

 

The angel that RECEIVES the 'key' to the "bottomless pit", is NOT the "angel OF the bottomless pit". Common sense ought to tell you that, for the receiving angel has to be outside the pit to unlock doesn't he? You're just not thinking this through.

 

And though the early 1st and 2nd century Church Fathers did not go into this detail, the many things they taught about the last days, they were not wrong about.

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It is speaking of Azazel, not Satan.

 

 

Afraid not. The 'destroyer' is one of Satan's many titles in God's Word. That's what those titles of Abaddon and Apollyon mean.

 

If you had properly understood the following Scripture, you would have understood that:

 

Rev.17

⁸ The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

¹⁰ And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

¹¹ And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

¹² And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

¹³ These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

Within that our Lord Jesus directly... associated that one with "the beast", but which beast, for there were 2 beasts given in the Rev.13 chapter, the 1st beast as a kingdom, and the 2nd beast as a person?

 

Let's see, can a beast kingdom be a person also? No, so process of elimination means... the 2nd beast is who that above Scripture is about for the end, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward that will work miracles in the sight of men on earth, and cause all to bow in false worship (except Christ's elect).

 

You know, that angel of Rev.9 that is given the 'key' to open the bottomless pit left it open didn't he? Yes, and on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe somebody else besides the locusts ascends out of that bottomless pit, i.e., Satan, the devil, that old serpent, Abaddon, Apollyon, the destroyer, the false "rock", the "vile person", the "little horn", "that Wicked", the "son of perdition", the "man of sin", the "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" that will kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem per Rev.11:7. Satan is that 'beast' spoken of there in those Rev.17 verses.

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it seems to me that you are tying things together than I don't see should be tied together.....   you can't tie everything in the whole Bible together that might translate destroyer as being Satan himself.

[Semaj]

 

 

The Beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire in Rev 19:19-21 when Satan is bound for the 1,000 yrs  in Rev 20:1-3, the chronological order of events. They are two different entities. Note the key for the bottomless pit is recieved by the angel in Rev 9:1 when he releases the Beast, but he has the keys when he bounds Satan in Rev 20:1-3. They are two different events. Your church fathers are wrong.

 

 

 

 

There's more than one 'beast' written in Rev.13. The 1st beast is his kingdom that's given in the Rev.13:1-2 verses, as ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. That is not the 2nd beast, or one who speaks as a dragon.

 

The 2nd "beast" in Rev 13 is the 11th horn in Dan 7:8 that plucks up the 3 horns of the Flavian Dynasty in 96 ad. The reason why he's called the "2nd beast kingdom" in Rev 13 is because he's also the 5th "beast kingdom" in Daniel's prophecy of the toes of iron and clay, the 11th horn in Dan 7:8.

 

The 1st "beast" in Rev 13 are the "10 horns/kings" in Daniel 7:7, described with the features of Daniel's 4 beast kingdoms in Rev 13  because it possessed the territory of the 4 kingdoms at that time, but it is the first 10 Roman Emperors, the 4th beast kingdom in Daniel.

 

The "Beast,"  he is the 8th and is among the 10 kings/horns of the 1st beast kingdom in Rev 13, the 4th beast in Dan 7:7. The 11th king/horn after these 10 becomes the 2nd beast kingdom in Rev 13, the 5th beast kingdom in Dan, the 11th horn/king in Dan 7:8. Dan 7 is the book of Revelation.

 

 

 

The "false prophet" is a role Satan (dragon) will play. That's why that role of the false prophet is cast into the lake of fire along with the beast (the whole concept), prior to Christ's thousand years reign, while Satan is not.

 

Says who? You're making stuff up that scripture doesn't support. The "Beast" is an angel just like the 4 Euphrates angel. In fact, the false prophet is one of the 4 Euphrates angel. The "devil," small "d," that's cast into the lake of fire after the 1,000 yrs reign is also a Euphrates angel.

 

 

The angel that RECEIVES the 'key' to the "bottomless pit", is NOT the "angel OF the bottomless pit". Common sense ought to tell you that, for the receiving angel has to be outside the pit to unlock doesn't he? You're just not thinking this through.

 

Reading comprehension is your problem. I never said he was the angel of the bottomless pit. I said he was "an angel." That's common sense.

 

 

And though the early 1st and 2nd century Church Fathers did not go into this detail, the many things they taught about the last days, they were not wrong about.

 

You're wrong. They are frauds. They're part of the antichrist spirit, Satan's angels becoming ministers of light that were to come from that early time to now, corrupting the word and adding to scripture.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Semaj

[SUS]

I'll let Daniel do the talking: "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

 

Now I'll let John respond: "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."