Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

[gerhard eber]

11 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Mk 16: 9 says Jesus rose on  the First day of the week, Which is a Sunday.

 

On 8/11/2018 at 7:43 PM, Alan Hales said:

If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday.

I apologise; I did not read your negation '~You can't get...~'. I therefore retract what I wrote, 

15 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Dear Alan Hales. WHILE you say '~You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday~', you proceed and PRESENT: '~Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day.~' So how can you conclude, '~Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday~'????

So, now...

Re:

'~If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday.~'

'~Jesus was stil alive on Thursday~'

Yes, '~Jesus was stil alive on Thursday~', alive SUFFERING, as Luke says, "This, your day and the power of darkness" Luke 22:53, alive SUFFERING FROM "the night the Lord was betrayed" 1Corinthians 11:23, "before the feast of the passover...", John 13:1,30, "...Jesus knowing that HIS HOUR WAS COME" = Mark 14:12,17 = Matthew 26:17,20 = Luke 22:7,14.  

But That Day, 'Thursday', "the ninth hour" Mark 15:34 Matthew 27:46, Jesus DIED, MID-AFTERNOON 3 p.m. = Luke 23:46-49 = John 19:30.

Edited August 12, 2018 by gerhard eber

[gerhard eber]

11 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, And Jesus was still alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, up until 3Pm.  Jesus rose early on Sunday.

Thurs to Fri, 1 Day, Fri to Sat, 2 days. Sat to Sun 3 days, Yet Jesus rose early on Sunday, Not in the afternoon.

Fri to Sat 1 night. Sat to Sun 2 nights. Sun to Mon 3 nights. Jesus didn't rise on a Monday.

Alright, that settled... 

11 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

You CANNOT get the "Third day" from Wednesday or Thursday, To Sunday. If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, And Jesus was still alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, up until 3Pm.  Jesus rose early on Sunday.

Thurs to Fri, 1 Day, Fri to Sat, 2 days. Sat to Sun 3 days, Yet Jesus rose early on Sunday, Not in the afternoon.

Fri to Sat 1 night. Sat to Sun 2 nights. Sun to Mon 3 nights. Jesus didn't rise on a Monday.

Re:

'~If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday~'

It is impossible with only Mark. All four Gospels must witness together. And that's how you will find and MUST find, the TEXT in exact order, side by side, as follows...

Die Laaste Week  (Volgorde volgens dae en ure)

Laaste Week: Palm-Sondag : Intog in Jerusalem : 5 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 10

 

“Tiende dag van die Eerste Maand”

Eksodus 12:3 Esegiël 40:1  “Beendag”

Johannes 12:12-19 “die volgende môre”  (50)

= Markus 11:1-11  Betanië; Jerusalem ingegaan; tempel ingegaan;  laat uit na Betanië (53)

= Matteus 21:1-11  Betfage; Jerusalem in  (54)

= Lukas 19:28-44  Betfage en Betanië; Jerusalem in  (56)

 

Laaste Week: Maandag : 4 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 11

Markus 11:12-14 “Die oggend ... van Betanië af ... vyeboom”  (59)

= Matteus 21:18,19            “na die stad ... vyeboom”  (60)

// Lukas 21:29-33 “Kyk na die vyeboom  (60)

Markus 11:15-17 “in die tempel in ... dié uit te jaag wat koop”  (61)

= Matteus 21:12-14 “in die tempel ingegaan en almal uitgegooi wat”  (62)

= Lukas 19:45,46 “in die tempel ingegaan handelaars uitjaag”  (62)

= Matteus 21:15-17 “kinders wat uitroep in die tempel”  (63)

= Johannes 12:20-26 “Daar was sekere Grieke”  (63)

Markus 11:18 “uitgewerk hoe hulle Hom kon doodmaak”  (65)

= Lukas 19:47,48 “geknoei om Hom dood te maak”  (65)

Markus 11:19 “Toe dit laat geword het, het Hy uit die stad gegaan”  (66)

= Matteus 21:17 “uitgegaan buite die stad”  (66)

 

Laaste Week: Dinsdag : 3 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 12

PREDIKING    (66)

Markus 11:20,21 “Vroeg in die môre toe hulle weer verbykom, sien hulle vyeboom verdroog”

Matteus 21:20 “Toe die dissipels dit sien”  (66)

Markus 11:22,23 “moet geloof in God hê!...vir hierdie berg sou sê”  (67)

Matteus 21:21,22,45,46 “As julle geloof het … vir die berg kon sê”  (67)

Markus 11:27,28 “in die tempel watse gesag”  (68)

= Matteus 21:23-25 “Toe Hy die tempel inkom... watter gesag”  (68)

= Lukas 20:1-8 “op een van Daardie Dae ... watter gesag”  (69)

Markus 12:35-37 “in die tempel … die Gesalfde, Seun van Dawid”  (71)

= Matteus 22:23;41-46 “Op Daardie Selfde Dag het Sadduseërs Hom genader”  (71)

= Matteus 24:1-3 “uit die tempel ... geboue”  (73)

= Matteus 26:1-2 “oor twee dae ...gekruisig”  (73)

= Johannes 12:27-36 “Nou is my siel ontsteld, omrede en deur hierdie uur”  (74)

= Lukas 21:34-38 “Dit was een van Daardie Dae wat Hy in die tempel geleer”  (76)

 

Laaste Week: Woensdag : 2 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 13

Markus 14:1,2  “oor twee dae Feesdae”  “gesoek hoe ... nie op Fees nie”  (76)

= Matteus 26:3-5  “hou raad ... nie op Fees nie”  (77)

= Lukas 22:1,2  “fees naby” priesters “bereken”  (77)

Markus14:3-9  “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof”  (78)

= Matteus 26:6-13  “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof”  (79)

Markus 14:10,11 “Judas na hoëpriesters ... belowe hom geld”  (81)

= Matteus 26:14-16  “Judas ... belowe geld”  (81)

= Lukas 22:3-6  “satan in Judas ... belowe geld”  (81)

= Johannes 12:37-50  “My verwerp ... ontvang nie my woorde nie”  (82)

 

 C) Laaste Week : “DRIE DAE” … in kort …    (86)

 

Donderdag : Abib 14 was 1 dag “voor” (Vrydag) Abib 15

Eksodus 12:15a “die hoof eerste dag wanneer suurdeeg verwyder / ontsuurdeeg” 
Markus 14:12—15:41 “op die eerste dag wanneer hulle altyd die pasga geslag het”

= 2Kronieke 35:4,6,10,14 “pasga voorberei … pasga geslag”
= Levitikus 23:22,10 “wanneer kanthoeke oes ... eerste gerf bring”
= Johannes 13:1—19:30 “voor die fees ... sy uur ... dit was nag ...”
= Lukas 22:7—23:49 “wanneer hulle die pasga moet geslag het”
= Markus 14:2 “nie op die fees nie” 
= Matteus 26:5 “nie op die fees nie” 
= Johannes 19:14-30 “Die Voorbereiding van die Pasga” 
= Matteus 26:17—27:56 “die eerste dag suurdeeg verwyder / sonder suurdeeg” 
Markus 14:12b “dat ons mag voorberei”

= Johannes 12:32,34; 8:28 “die Seun van die Mens verhoog”
= 1Korintiërs 11:23 "die nag waarin die Here verraai was"
= Johannes 16:32 “die uur ... julle uitmekaar gejaag … elkeen van julle”

 

Vrydag : Abib 15 (Donderdagnag en Vrydag dag)   (190)

Eksodus 12:15, 8, Tweede “Eerste Dag geen ongesuurde brood” ... “eet in die nag”

“Feesdag-sabbat” van Pasga Eksodus 12:15,17,18,42,51

Johannes 19:31-42 “het Voorbereiding geword ... Daardie Dag was groot dag sabbat”

Markus 15:42-47 “Daar dit al aand was vandat Die Voorbereiding wat die Voor-Sabbat is, begin het”

= Johannes 19:39 “By die Eerste Nag”

= Matteus 27:57-61b

= Lukas 23:50-56a

 

Sabbat : Abib 16 (Vrydagnag en Saterdag dag)   (190)

Lukas 23:56b Die vroue het die Sabbat begin rus 

[gerhard eber]

2 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

 

Edited August 12, 2018 by gerhard eber

[gerhard eber]

13 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Mk 16: 9 says Jesus rose on  the First day of the week, Which is a Sunday.

Mark 16:9, "Now WHEN Jesus WAS RISEN, He, early on the First Day, APPEARED..."

"was risen" is an Adjectival Adverbial Participle Aorist Active telling HOW Jesus was and HOW Jesus acted: "RISEN" / "as The Resurrected".

There is NO Verb '~rose~'; the Verb of the sentence is, "he appeared" - "ephaneh" Indicative Passive Aorist, 'he was shown'. 

He had to have raised BEFORE "he was shown risen", or BEFORE "he appeared risen".

Edited August 12, 2018 by gerhard eber

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

You keep going on about those 3 days and 3 nights, That's because you take ONE out of context scripture to build your false belief on. And you REJECT  The [At least SEVENTEEN] scriptures that say Jesus rose on the "THIRD DAY". You CANNOT get the "Third day" from Wednesday or Thursday, To Sunday. If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, And Jesus was still alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, up until 3Pm.  Jesus rose early on Sunday.

Thurs to Fri, 1 Day, Fri to Sat, 2 days. Sat to Sun 3 days, Yet Jesus rose early on Sunday, Not in the afternoon.

Fri to Sat 1 night. Sat to Sun 2 nights. Sun to Mon 3 nights. Jesus didn't rise on a Monday.

Shalom, Alan Hales.

And YOU can't get "three days and three nights" from Friday LATE afternoon to Sunday morning before the sun rose!

So, which was it? Was Yeshua` using some "flowery idiom" for that MUCH shorter amount of time? Was He LYING when He said "three days and three nights?" OR, Was He just WRONG (like I apparently am)? Don't you know that the Jews NEEDED to see Him in the grave that long to be sure He had indeed died?! If He had just "swooned," like many claim, then He didn't really die, did He? They wouldn't have needed to claim that His disciples came and stole His body from the tomb; they could just claim He WALKED OUT ON HIS OWN POWER!

But, that's NOT what they claimed, did they?

Matthew 28:11-15 (KJV)

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

The problem with this lie was that if Pilate had heard that these Roman soldiers fell asleep at their post, they would have been killed for neglecting their duty!

So, they claimed that the disciples stole the body out of the tomb, admitting that He had indeed DIED. They would have been able to say, like Marta ("Martha") did,...

John 11:39

39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

Ever hear of catalepsy? Here's how it is defined:

catalepsy

a medical condition characterized by a trance or seizure with a loss of sensation and consciousness accompanied by rigidity of the body.

Redorbit.com lists seven conditions that could get one buried alive: the Lazarus phenomenon, being brain dead, the Locked-In Syndrome, catalepsy, hypothermia, snake venom, and pufferfish toxin.

Jewish practice of mourning for the dead is as follows:

Care for the Dead

After a person dies, the eyes are closed, the body is laid on the floor and covered, and candles are lit next to the body.  The body is never left alone until after burial, as a sign of respect.  The people who sit with the dead body are called shomerim, from the root Shin-Mem-Resh, meaning guards or keepers.

Respect for the dead body is a matter of paramount importance.  For example, the shomerim may not eat, drink, or perform certains commandments such as prayer in the presence of the dead.  To do so would be considered mocking the dead, because the dead can no longer do these things.

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In preparation for the burial, the body is thoroughly cleaned and wrapped in a simple, plain linen shroud.  The Sages decreed that both the dress of the body and the coffin should be simple, so that a poor person would not receive less honor in death than a rich person.  The body is wrapped in a tallit with its tzitzit rendered invalid.  The body is not embalmed, and no organs or fluids may be removed.

The body must not be cremated.  It must be buried in the earth.  Coffins are not required, but they may be used.

The body is never displayed at funerals; open casket ceremonies are forbidden by Jewish law.  According to Jewish law, exposing a body is considered disrespectful, because it allows not only friends, but also enemies to view the dead, mocking their helpless state.

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Mourning

Jewish mourning practices can be broken into several periods of decreasing intensity.  These mourning periods allow the full expression of grief, while discouraging excesses of grief and allowing the mourner to gradually return to a normal life.

When a close relative (parent, sibling, child, or spouse) first hears of the death of a relative, it is required to express the initial grief by tearing one's clothing.  The tear is made over the heart if the deceased is a parent, or over the right side of the chest for other relatives.  This tearing of the clothing is referred to as "keriyah" (literally, "tearing").  The mourner recites the blessing describing God as "the true Judge", an acceptance of God's taking of the life of a relative.

From the time of death to the burial, the mourner's sole responsibility is caring for the deceased and preparing for the burial.  This period is known as aninut.  During this time, the mourners are exempt from all positive commandments ("thou shalt"s), because the preparations take first priority.  This period usually lasts a day or two; Judaism requires prompt burial.

During this aninut period, the family should be left alone and allowed the full expression of grief.  Condolence calls or visits should not be made during this time.

After the burial, a close relative, near neighbor, or friend prepares the first meal for the mourners, the se'udat havra'ah (meal of condolence).  This meal traditionally consists of eggs (a symbol of life) and bread.  The meal is for the family only, not for visitors.  After this time, condolence calls are permitted.

The next period of mourning is known as shiva (seven, because it lasts seven days).  Shiva is observed by parents, children, spouses, and siblings of the deceased, preferably all together in the deceased's home.  Shiva begins on the day of burial and continues until the morning of the seventh day after burial.  Mourners sit on low stools or the floor instead of chairs, do not wear leather shoes, do not shave or cut their hair, do not wear cosmetics, do not work, and do not do things for comfort or pleasure, such as bathe, have sex, put on fresh clothing, or study Torah (including Torah related to mourning and grief, despite the custom to the contrary!).  Mourners wear the clothes that they tore at the time of learning of the death or at the funeral.  Prayer services are held where the shiva is held, with friends neighbors and relatives making up the minyan (10 people required for certain prayers).

The Sabbath that occurs during the shiva period counts toward the seven days of shiva, but is not observed as a day of mourning.  If a festival occurs during the mourning period, the mourning is terminated, but if the burial occurs during a festival, the mourning is delayed until after the festival.

The next period of mourning is known as shloshim (thirty, because it lasts until the 30th day after burial).  During that period, the mourners do not attend parties or celebrations, do not shave or cut their hair, and do not listen to music.

The final period of formal mourning is avelut, which is observed only for a parent.  This period lasts for twelve months after the burial.  During that time, mourners avoid parties, celebrations, theater, and concerts.  For eleven months of that period, starting at the time of burial, the son of the deceased customarily recites the mourner's Kaddish every day, even though he need not say it at all.

After the avelut period is complete, the family of the deceased is not permitted to continue formal mourning; however, there are a few continuing acknowledgments of the deceased.  Every year, on the anniversary of the death, family members observe the deceased's Yahrzeit (Yiddish, lit.  "anniversary").  Sons recite Kaddish and take an aliyah (bless the Torah reading) in synagogue if possible.  Mourners light a candle in honor of the deceased that burns for 24 hours.  In addition, during services on Yom Kippur, Shemini Atzeret, the last day of Passover, and Shavu'ot, after the haftarah reading in synagogue, close relatives recite the mourner's prayer, Yizkor ("May He remember . . .") in synagogue.  Yahrzeit candles are also lit on those days.

When visiting a mourner, a guest should not try to express grief with standard, shallow platitudes.  The guest should allow the mourner to initiate conversations.  One should not divert the conversation from talking about the deceased; to do so would limit the mourner's ability to fully express grief, which is the purpose of the mourning period.  On the contrary, the caller should encourage conversation about the deceased.

When leaving a house of mourning, it is traditional for the guest to say, "May the LORD comfort you with all the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem".

More at Mechon-mamre.org. Emphasis mine.

Learn to think in Hebrew terms. After all, we will not only be ruled by the Messiah Yeshua` as HaMelekh Yisra'el from Yerushalayim, Yisra'el, for a thousand years, but for ETERNITY from Yerushalayim haChadashah!

[Retrobyter]

19 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Mk 16: 9 says Jesus rose on  the First day of the week, Which is a Sunday.

Shalom, Alan Hales.

No, it doesn't! READ IT AGAIN ... CAREFULLY!

Mark 16:1-11 (KJV)

1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. 7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. 8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week (Greek: , he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. 10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

Note that the word "day" is in italics in verse 9! The word "day" is not in the Greek text at all in that verse!

9 Anastas de prooi prootee sabbatou efanee prooton Maria tee Magdeleenee, par' hees ekbebleekei hepta daimonia.

9 Anastas = 9 Having-risen
de = but
prooi = early
prootee = on-first
sabbatou = of-week
efanee = He-appeared
prooton = first
Maria = to-Miryam/to-Mary
tee = the
Magdeleenee, = Magdelene,
par' = from
hees = whom
ekbebleekei = He-had-cast-out
hepta = seven
daimonia. = demons/lesser-gods. 

That can apply to Sunday NIGHT which comes BEFORE Sunday morning! He was already GONE at sunrise!

[ShinyGospelShoes]

22 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Alan Hales.

No, it doesn't! READ IT AGAIN ... CAREFULLY!

Mark 16:1-11 (KJV)

1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. 7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. 8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week (Greek: , he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. 10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

Note that the word "day" is in italics in verse 9! The word "day" is not in the Greek text at all in that verse!

9 Anastas de prooi prootee sabbatou efanee prooton Maria tee Magdeleenee, par' hees ekbebleekei hepta daimonia.

9 Anastas = 9 Having-risen
de = but
prooi = early
prootee = on-first
sabbatou = of-week
efanee = He-appeared
prooton = first
Maria = to-Miryam/to-Mary
tee = the
Magdeleenee, = Magdelene,
par' = from
hees = whom
ekbebleekei = He-had-cast-out
hepta = seven
daimonia. = demons/lesser-gods. 

That can apply to Sunday NIGHT which comes BEFORE Sunday morning! He was already GONE at sunrise!

Hello Retrobyter,

If I may interject for a brief moment?

I do not believe I read in Alan Hales response (which you recently cited), where Alan stated that Jesus arose on 'the first [day] of the week' during or even after sunrise.

Did Alan Hales say that Jesus was resurrected 'during' or 'after' sunrise on 'the first [day] of the week'?  I did not see it, but perhaps you could point me to where this was said, so I do not step into the wrong place here.

As far as scripture defines a 'day', it begins with the 'evening' (dark portion) followed by 'morning' (sunrise and light portion), as per Genesis 1:5, John 11:9; Psalms 104:22-23, etc.  Therefore, in the very verse you cited, Mark 16:1-11, Jesus arose after "the sabbath was past" and thus on "the first [day] of the week", before sunrise, in the still dark portion (John 20:1), before the sun was fully up (visible), though it was eventually dawning (lightening; Matthew 28:1; Luke 24:1) as the women travelled to the tomb from their separate homes.  A specific time is not given as to an exact when on "the first [day] of the week", except that it was sometime before sunrise while yet dark out, though I have an idea based upon the pattern in scripture, but do not desire to get into it here, since I am simply looking for a clarification from you about what you have seen in Alan Hales response.

Edited August 13, 2018 by ShinyGospelShoes
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[ShinyGospelShoes]

9 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Alright, that settled... 

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Die Laaste Week  (Volgorde volgens dae en ure)...

Gerhard Ebersoehn, why are you citing, or writing in Afrikaans (African Dutch/German, mix)?  Does anyone here, except you read/write in it?  Do you expect anyone reading to understand what you are saying/writing, without immediate translation/interpretation?  What does the Bible say about that (1 Corinthians 12-14; especially see, 1 Corinthians 14:37)?

Do you read from an Afrikaans translation of the Bible?  I actually know people that are from South Africa, and speak Afrikaans (born/raised), but they are not here to translate for us.  Would you be able to put your thoughts into English?  I know that Africa (if you are from there) has a high rate of England English speaking peoples.

Edited August 13, 2018 by ShinyGospelShoes
added reference

[Alan Hales]

12 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

 

I apologise; I did not read your negation '~You can't get...~'. I therefore retract what I wrote, 

So, now...

Re:

'~If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday.~'

'~Jesus was stil alive on Thursday~'

Yes, '~Jesus was stil alive on Thursday~', alive SUFFERING, as Luke says, "This, your day and the power of darkness" Luke 22:53, alive SUFFERING FROM "the night the Lord was betrayed" 1Corinthians 11:23, "before the feast of the passover...", John 13:1,30, "...Jesus knowing that HIS HOUR WAS COME" = Mark 14:12,17 = Matthew 26:17,20 = Luke 22:7,14.  

But That Day, 'Thursday', "the ninth hour" Mark 15:34 Matthew 27:46, Jesus DIED, MID-AFTERNOON 3 p.m. = Luke 23:46-49 = John 19:30.

You cannot get 3 days and 3 nights, OR the Third day, From Thursday to Sunday. But forget the 3 Day and 3 nights, because Mat 12: 40, Is a ONE out of context scripture, Whereas there are at least SEVENTEEN scriptures that say Jesus rose on the Third day. You CANNOT get the Third day from Thursday to Sunday. Thursday, 1 day, Friday, 2 days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday.

[Alan Hales]

12 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Alright, that settled... 

Re:

'~If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday~'

It is impossible with only Mark. All four Gospels must witness together. And that's how you will find and MUST find, the TEXT in exact order, side by side, as follows...

Die Laaste Week  (Volgorde volgens dae en ure)

Laaste Week: Palm-Sondag : Intog in Jerusalem : 5 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 10

 

“Tiende dag van die Eerste Maand”

Eksodus 12:3 Esegiël 40:1  “Beendag”

Johannes 12:12-19 “die volgende môre”  (50)

= Markus 11:1-11  Betanië; Jerusalem ingegaan; tempel ingegaan;  laat uit na Betanië (53)

= Matteus 21:1-11  Betfage; Jerusalem in  (54)

= Lukas 19:28-44  Betfage en Betanië; Jerusalem in  (56)

 

Laaste Week: Maandag : 4 dae voor Abib 15 is Abib 11

Markus 11:12-14 “Die oggend ... van Betanië af ... vyeboom”  (59)

= Matteus 21:18,19            “na die stad ... vyeboom”  (60)

// Lukas 21:29-33 “Kyk na die vyeboom  (60)

Markus 11:15-17 “in die tempel in ... dié uit te jaag wat koop”  (61)

= Matteus 21:12-14 “in die tempel ingegaan en almal uitgegooi wat”  (62)

= Lukas 19:45,46 “in die tempel ingegaan handelaars uitjaag”  (62)

= Matteus 21:15-17 “kinders wat uitroep in die tempel”  (63)

= Johannes 12:20-26 “Daar was sekere Grieke”  (63)

Markus 11:18 “uitgewerk hoe hulle Hom kon doodmaak”  (65)

= Lukas 19:47,48 “geknoei om Hom dood te maak”  (65)

Markus 11:19 “Toe dit laat geword het, het Hy uit die stad gegaan”  (66)

= Matteus 21:17 “uitgegaan buite die stad”  (66)

 

Laaste Week: Dinsdag : 3 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 12

PREDIKING    (66)

Markus 11:20,21 “Vroeg in die môre toe hulle weer verbykom, sien hulle vyeboom verdroog”

Matteus 21:20 “Toe die dissipels dit sien”  (66)

Markus 11:22,23 “moet geloof in God hê!...vir hierdie berg sou sê”  (67)

Matteus 21:21,22,45,46 “As julle geloof het … vir die berg kon sê”  (67)

Markus 11:27,28 “in die tempel watse gesag”  (68)

= Matteus 21:23-25 “Toe Hy die tempel inkom... watter gesag”  (68)

= Lukas 20:1-8 “op een van Daardie Dae ... watter gesag”  (69)

Markus 12:35-37 “in die tempel … die Gesalfde, Seun van Dawid”  (71)

= Matteus 22:23;41-46 “Op Daardie Selfde Dag het Sadduseërs Hom genader”  (71)

= Matteus 24:1-3 “uit die tempel ... geboue”  (73)

= Matteus 26:1-2 “oor twee dae ...gekruisig”  (73)

= Johannes 12:27-36 “Nou is my siel ontsteld, omrede en deur hierdie uur”  (74)

= Lukas 21:34-38 “Dit was een van Daardie Dae wat Hy in die tempel geleer”  (76)

 

Laaste Week: Woensdag : 2 dae voor (Vrydag) Abib 15 is Abib 13

Markus 14:1,2  “oor twee dae Feesdae”  “gesoek hoe ... nie op Fees nie”  (76)

= Matteus 26:3-5  “hou raad ... nie op Fees nie”  (77)

= Lukas 22:1,2  “fees naby” priesters “bereken”  (77)

Markus14:3-9  “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof”  (78)

= Matteus 26:6-13  “huis van Simon ... salf oor hoof”  (79)

Markus 14:10,11 “Judas na hoëpriesters ... belowe hom geld”  (81)

= Matteus 26:14-16  “Judas ... belowe geld”  (81)

= Lukas 22:3-6  “satan in Judas ... belowe geld”  (81)

= Johannes 12:37-50  “My verwerp ... ontvang nie my woorde nie”  (82)

 

 C) Laaste Week : “DRIE DAE” … in kort …    (86)

 

Donderdag : Abib 14 was 1 dag “voor” (Vrydag) Abib 15

Eksodus 12:15a “die hoof eerste dag wanneer suurdeeg verwyder / ontsuurdeeg” 
Markus 14:12—15:41 “op die eerste dag wanneer hulle altyd die pasga geslag het”

= 2Kronieke 35:4,6,10,14 “pasga voorberei … pasga geslag”
= Levitikus 23:22,10 “wanneer kanthoeke oes ... eerste gerf bring”
= Johannes 13:1—19:30 “voor die fees ... sy uur ... dit was nag ...”
= Lukas 22:7—23:49 “wanneer hulle die pasga moet geslag het”
= Markus 14:2 “nie op die fees nie” 
= Matteus 26:5 “nie op die fees nie” 
= Johannes 19:14-30 “Die Voorbereiding van die Pasga” 
= Matteus 26:17—27:56 “die eerste dag suurdeeg verwyder / sonder suurdeeg” 
Markus 14:12b “dat ons mag voorberei”

= Johannes 12:32,34; 8:28 “die Seun van die Mens verhoog”
= 1Korintiërs 11:23 "die nag waarin die Here verraai was"
= Johannes 16:32 “die uur ... julle uitmekaar gejaag … elkeen van julle”

 

Vrydag : Abib 15 (Donderdagnag en Vrydag dag)   (190)

Eksodus 12:15, 8, Tweede “Eerste Dag geen ongesuurde brood” ... “eet in die nag”

“Feesdag-sabbat” van Pasga Eksodus 12:15,17,18,42,51

Johannes 19:31-42 “het Voorbereiding geword ... Daardie Dag was groot dag sabbat”

Markus 15:42-47 “Daar dit al aand was vandat Die Voorbereiding wat die Voor-Sabbat is, begin het”

= Johannes 19:39 “By die Eerste Nag”

= Matteus 27:57-61b

= Lukas 23:50-56a

 

Sabbat : Abib 16 (Vrydagnag en Saterdag dag)   (190)

Lukas 23:56b Die vroue het die Sabbat begin rus 

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