Remarriage after divorce

[Warrior777]

 

 

There is no simple answer. Was the bible created for man or man for the bible? According to Paul the things that were written down were for our learning. When I was immature in my faith I was very perverse and legalistic in my application of the scriptures to any life situation. Everything God did has been out of love as God is love. There is a time to marry, a time to divorce, a time to remarry as well as a time to stay unmarried after divorce. Love is the answer. One might think that divorce and remarriage can never be the way of love. Let that one alone to live by their conscience. For them to do so cannot be love. Love has done a great many things. Love sent a whole nation into captivity and dispersed among the nations. Love flooded a world to save 8 people alive. Love knows when to say when. Love knows when to say yes or no. Follow after love in everything. We live in perilous times and love demands we act according to the best interest of all involved including ourselves. So whatever we do with marriage, divorce and remarriage it must be done in love. Let no man tell you that you cannot do what love demands because of some silly legalistic narrow view of God through a personal perception of scripture viewed as dogma because they think so. Live according to love as God gives you ability. Wouldn't it be grand if no one ever divorced? God bless all who marry!

I get what you are saying and in many cases things need to be balanced out, but this is very dangerous ground you are walking on with this. What does legalistic really mean? Yes we do need to do everything in love, but we need to do it with God's will and word in mind - always! Love demands to follow scripture - God's will - to the best way we can, especially where scripture is known for a matter:

John 14:15, 21

If you love Me, keep My commandments.

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.

John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 5:1-3 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. ² By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. ³ For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

This is written all over the Bible. God really emphasizes to keep scripture, by this we know that we are walking in Love. If we are not "legalistic" the way I understand it you are using the term, then we can very easily be off track and on a dangerous course where our deceived and sometimes wicked hearts lead us to, especially when our minds are not renewed and we think we are walking in love, so it must be the right way, so let's take scripture not so seriously (it's an easy pitfall this way).... - In the end we have to be guided by/through (rightly applied!) scripture to be in the will of God, because that's were the will of God is known and should we get a personal word from God, it still has to line up with scripture.

Again, scripture is very clear when divorce is allowed, that was not so much my original question (except the one about the remarried couples). Any other way or form that we veer away from that or make up our own rules (when and what is allowed and create special cases) we are in danger of walking off the path into sin.

And this is why I started this thread, to find out the truth behind the issue of remarriage so not to veer off into a path that is out of God's will, not only for me, but most likely millions of others that are confronted with the same questions (who also want to do the right thing), since with this issue of remarriage it is not so clear in some cases, but it is very clear in others (e.g.divorce) and where that is known we have to abide by it, because if we don't, then we are actually walking OUTSIDE of Love - since the opposite is also true:" He who does not keep my commandments does NOT love Me and is NOT abiding in My love!"

Jesus faced this very same problem. People were believing that they could be righteous because they followed the law even the ten commandments and he corrected them and their legalism. You say that I am walking on very dangerous ground and I agree with you as people wanted to kill Jesus because he said the things I do in principle. The more 'religious' people are the quicker they are to see the truth as a lie. Jesus would protect a woman caught in the very act of adultry of whom her infraction was confirmed by eye witnesses yet those who know this would cast out those who are caught up in divorce and don't do exactly what is 'commanded' in scripture. Was it not commanded to keep the Sabbath holy? Did not David, Jesus disciples break the Sabbath? Doesn't the Scripture say that they saw Jesus had broken tge Sabbath? But I say unto you that love is what is commanded of us. Love as defined by God as God is love. I am learning about love everyday. Love is that which preserves life instead of destroying it. I have been a liar, thief, cheat, con, adulterer, idolater, murderer, blasphemer, persecuter of the righteous and much much more yet today Jesus stands at the right hand of the father making intercession for me.

My problem in my ignorance was that I did not understand the difference between cannot and will not as it pertained to sin. I am not giving people license to do as they will concerning marriage, divorce and remarriage but I am standing for each and every persons right to do as they truly believe God would have them do out of love. There is a time to kill and a time to heal. God is judge. God is love. Trust in God.

 

 

Well again, yes we always have to do the things we do out of love, that is a given and there is also grace but that is especially nowadays easily abused and in turn leads to more sin. Now when you mention the various examples (and I could go into each one of them and the specific situations and backgrounds and why, but that will lead into an off topic discussion), each one is different with different backgrounds. Jesus never broke the law, He though had the right to extend it or modify it for the new covenant and He was actually well within the law when He did that and additionally He was the One that under the era of the new covenant could extend grace and see who had a repentant heart and who didn't, but that was after the fact of the sin and He also said to go and sin no more - because then worse things will happen!! Further He also didn't say who remarries another commits adultery and should be stoned - we have to compare apples to apples. On the topic of what Jesus said, it is God's law (under the new covenant), which must be kept, if not we are easily out of covenant and that leads to death, which is warned by many in the NT, no matter how much you did out of love. I recall the believers that are standing in front of Jesus at the judgment and he told them to depart, even though they thought they had done things that were commanded, but obviously they were still in sin somewhere that love or grace could not cover. Or Paul warning with a list of sins that if committed (unrepentant) one would not enter into the kingdom of God. So the reason to be lenient in some cases out of love and it ends up being or leading into sin is what I called dangerous. And that has nothing to do with being religious, because then following Jesus commandments as such would be religious and that is absurd. Rather we have to judge and apply the commandments in love but nevertheless they have to be applied and adhered to. "Seeing truth as a lie" is religion that twists the truth but following God's commandments and rightly applying it (as with all scripture as foundation) is truth and our duty, not a lie! And if we are not admonishing others to do as well we are even unloving, since we should help each other staying on the right path and correct them if necessary and turn a sinner to repentance, that is love, not letting them go down that way further. If that is called legalistic then I rather be legalistic than out of the will of God, let alone in willful sin. I myself want all the help I can get. I rather have someone tell me the legalistic truth in love, than they think they love me and letting me continue in error, because out of the notion they are applying grace.

 

Back to our topic in light of which I answered the question/comment is, that there are rules set by scripture and Jesus Himself that are there for a reason. The part where scripture is known, again it has to be followed or as Jesus said, one is easily entangled in adultery, no matter if love was the reasoning behind it and remarrying and applying love to a situation, where we think God should be lovingly giving His blessings to it, because we think it should be so done out of love but in fact actually totally lead ourselves or others right into a pitfall of sin. That's why I think it is important to make sure all the rules that apply to this topic are known, so that we know how to decide in each case applying the same rules to it that are scriptural, so we don't let emotions decide our judgment. If we have to make up our mind with each case anew depending on what we think should apply then why did Jesus give us the word and the rules and the warnings of sin to begin with? 

This is the reason I started this topic, because I wanted to know, for myself and most likely many others out there how the rules apply to be still in God's will where scripture was not quite clear  (to me at least), how one could or shall proceed in specific cases, if someone could come up with an explanation in context and light of all known scriptures and principles of scriptures, original translations, backgrounds and how things were dealt with back then, to find an answer to this subject. There can only be one truth for this topic that applies to the different situations mentioned of possible variations of divorce and remarriage, but for all people alike with the same rules, there aren't different truths for each person or their situations.

I hope I could express myself correctly to get this point across so that it is understood what I meant.

Thanks for all your input though, it's good to mention every aspect of this.

[Warrior777]

 

 

As your wife committed adultery, even the naysayers against divorce would agree you can remarry.  In fact many would state adultery is THE reason for being allowed to divorce

and remarry.

 

The Bible also states that if the unbeliever wishes to leave...let them...Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.  I Cor 7:15

 

However, I have no problem with you wanting her to stay...I can understand that.

 

That's the black and white answer...and this is not hypothetical for many here..

 

Just to quickly interject here, I think you answered you own question/statement here that you stated in the prior post.

If scripture gives a specific reason for a matter to be a decisive rule for that matter and no other beyond that, then we simply cannot make up another reason to decide that matter. Everything else is in danger of walking out of God's will into sin.

In this case Jesus Himself even stated explicitly that this is to be the reason that rules to decide this matter and Paul led by the Holy Spirit stated the only other one found in God's word under this New Covenant. And Jesus even gave an explanation to why that is:

Because people out of their hardened hearts were giving all kinds of reasons why they wanted to divorce their spouse (under Moses), so He said that this will not work like that anymore and He made a stricter rule, which was even given from the beginning, but temporarily changed under the old Law.

 

 

 

Uh...no....

 

I answered fire's post....NOT the op.  You are drawing conclusions here and not representing my post

 

I have given my thoughts on the matter throughout this thread.

 

I have not altered my position.

 

I am starting to get irritated by those who want to jam their take on one verse into everyone elses' life.

 

 

Didn't draw any conclusions that are misrepresenting your post:

 

This was your prior post I was referring to:

"I simply no longer believe God expects us to stay with a spouse that is unfaithful to the marriage covenant and I believe there are more ways then one to break that covenant"--

 

Then you answered fire's post with the truth from scripture, you answered him exactly that what you were saying you didn't believe in that statement you made prior. I have read your thoughts, that's exactly why I posted this.

Nobody is jamming their take (especially) on ONE verse down anybody's life. Why would you think that? If at all this is a quest for truth and we are comparing all scriptures with each other (not just one) in light of scripture itself and the principle of it.

Reread what I stated, there is only an answer to how scripture is and must be interpreted so that it is not done wrong. There are scriptures that can't be changed into any other meaning, they are self explanatory. If it says, e.g. "you should not lie" one can't go and say well, if it helps someone else, a little lie is not that bad or permissible. That would be altering scripture by adding to it. We just can't do that and still be in God's will. That's what I meant.

You are definitely entitled to your own opinion and believe but you have to be aware that it could be out of the will of God to do so, and the example you gave on this topic it just is not supported by scripture, no matter how anybody wants to turn or interpret it, there is just no interpreting that into it there. That's all.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Warrior777

[another_poster]

 

 

 

If scripture gives a specific reason for a matter to be a decisive rule for that matter and no other beyond that, then we simply cannot make up another reason to decide that matter. Everything else is in danger of walking out of God's will into sin.

In this case Jesus Himself even stated explicitly that this is to be the reason that rules to decide this matter and Paul led by the Holy Spirit stated the only other one found in God's word under this New Covenant. And Jesus even gave an explanation to why that is:

Because people out of their hardened hearts were giving all kinds of reasons why they wanted to divorce their spouse (under Moses), so He said that this will not work like that anymore and He made a stricter rule, which was even given from the beginning, but temporarily changed under the old Law.

 

Isn't it interesting though that Jesus said this is the ONLY reason and then later Paul gives another reason. Guess Jesus must have been wrong or perhaps it really isn't as clear as people think.

 

Perhaps if you care to re-read my posts you will see a question that nobody has addressed yet in this thread.

 

Edit to add: In the couple of hours between when I wrote this reply and when I actually posted it inchrist has responded to the question

 

 

Well I get your point somewhat, but just because Paul expounds on what Jesus said and maybe clarifies a case that Jesus did not mention closer, does not mean that it contradicts it. You also have to see that Paul was lead by the Holy Spirit to write this, pretty much God saying it anyways, since it became also scripture. I just wish he would have explained some things even further, but that does not mean that we can go ahead and just make up what we feel like or what seems just plausible to us, without extracting what we know from scripture about a matter and comparing each scripture with it. In any case where scripture is not quite clear, a decision must be made that is in light and principle of scripture nonetheless, in connection with the known will of God and the nature of it.

Now my point actually was, in cases where scripture is known we have to abide by it and definitely can't sway outside of it, making up further rules or regulations that scripture therefore does not allow, since it would contradict it. And in the case of what Paul is saying this is also part of scripture that is known.

 

but that is what you are doing. Jesus said there was only one reason for divorce which is adultery. You have decided that since Paul said there was another reason then he is just expanding on what Jesus said! Sorry but no you can not read that into it. As I said it is not as clear as you are making out. You also have not addressed the other question. The very real argument about there being a difference between putting away and divorce. I'm saying scripture is not as clear as one suggests. Others have posted things that are known that have not been addressed and affect this topic. If correct then people need to examine their view.

You are essentially approaching this with a view in mind and then reading scripture rather than reading scripture and forming your view. 

 

 

 

Sorry, could you write your question again, there was a lot to read and I had to respond to many people, if the question wasn't directed to one of my quotes I either did not pick up on it or I might have answered it in one of my posts/answers to other quotes/questions. Did you read all my posts to see if I might have touched your subject you are referring to? If I did, then I most likely have not posted an additional answer to it again. Thanks.

 

with all due respect you should not be telling people to read back through the thread to find things if you are not willing to do so. No you have not addressed it but it is repeated here in this post anyway.

[gdemoss]

There is no simple answer. Was the bible created for man or man for the bible? According to Paul the things that were written down were for our learning. When I was immature in my faith I was very perverse and legalistic in my application of the scriptures to any life situation. Everything God did has been out of love as God is love. There is a time to marry, a time to divorce, a time to remarry as well as a time to stay unmarried after divorce. Love is the answer. One might think that divorce and remarriage can never be the way of love. Let that one alone to live by their conscience. For them to do so cannot be love. Love has done a great many things. Love sent a whole nation into captivity and dispersed among the nations. Love flooded a world to save 8 people alive. Love knows when to say when. Love knows when to say yes or no. Follow after love in everything. We live in perilous times and love demands we act according to the best interest of all involved including ourselves. So whatever we do with marriage, divorce and remarriage it must be done in love. Let no man tell you that you cannot do what love demands because of some silly legalistic narrow view of God through a personal perception of scripture viewed as dogma because they think so. Live according to love as God gives you ability. Wouldn't it be grand if no one ever divorced? God bless all who marry!

I get what you are saying and in many cases things need to be balanced out, but this is very dangerous ground you are walking on with this. What does legalistic really mean? Yes we do need to do everything in love, but we need to do it with God's will and word in mind - always! Love demands to follow scripture - God's will - to the best way we can, especially where scripture is known for a matter:

John 14:15, 21

If you love Me, keep My commandments.

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.

John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 5:1-3 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. ² By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. ³ For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

This is written all over the Bible. God really emphasizes to keep scripture, by this we know that we are walking in Love. If we are not "legalistic" the way I understand it you are using the term, then we can very easily be off track and on a dangerous course where our deceived and sometimes wicked hearts lead us to, especially when our minds are not renewed and we think we are walking in love, so it must be the right way, so let's take scripture not so seriously (it's an easy pitfall this way).... - In the end we have to be guided by/through (rightly applied!) scripture to be in the will of God, because that's were the will of God is known and should we get a personal word from God, it still has to line up with scripture.

Again, scripture is very clear when divorce is allowed, that was not so much my original question (except the one about the remarried couples). Any other way or form that we veer away from that or make up our own rules (when and what is allowed and create special cases) we are in danger of walking off the path into sin.

And this is why I started this thread, to find out the truth behind the issue of remarriage so not to veer off into a path that is out of God's will, not only for me, but most likely millions of others that are confronted with the same questions (who also want to do the right thing), since with this issue of remarriage it is not so clear in some cases, but it is very clear in others (e.g.divorce) and where that is known we have to abide by it, because if we don't, then we are actually walking OUTSIDE of Love - since the opposite is also true:" He who does not keep my commandments does NOT love Me and is NOT abiding in My love!"

Jesus faced this very same problem. People were believing that they could be righteous because they followed the law even the ten commandments and he corrected them and their legalism. You say that I am walking on very dangerous ground and I agree with you as people wanted to kill Jesus because he said the things I do in principle. The more 'religious' people are the quicker they are to see the truth as a lie. Jesus would protect a woman caught in the very act of adultry of whom her infraction was confirmed by eye witnesses yet those who know this would cast out those who are caught up in divorce and don't do exactly what is 'commanded' in scripture. Was it not commanded to keep the Sabbath holy? Did not David, Jesus disciples break the Sabbath? Doesn't the Scripture say that they saw Jesus had broken tge Sabbath? But I say unto you that love is what is commanded of us. Love as defined by God as God is love. I am learning about love everyday. Love is that which preserves life instead of destroying it. I have been a liar, thief, cheat, con, adulterer, idolater, murderer, blasphemer, persecuter of the righteous and much much more yet today Jesus stands at the right hand of the father making intercession for me.

My problem in my ignorance was that I did not understand the difference between cannot and will not as it pertained to sin. I am not giving people license to do as they will concerning marriage, divorce and remarriage but I am standing for each and every persons right to do as they truly believe God would have them do out of love. There is a time to kill and a time to heal. God is judge. God is love. Trust in God.

Well again, yes we always have to do the things we do out of love, that is a given and there is also grace but that is especially nowadays easily abused and in turn leads to more sin. Now when you mention the various examples (and I could go into each one of them and the specific situations and backgrounds and why, but that will lead into an off topic discussion), each one is different with different backgrounds. Jesus never broke the law, He though had the right to extend it or modify it for the new covenant and He was actually well within the law when He did that and additionally He was the One that under the era of the new covenant could extend grace and see who had a repentant heart and who didn't, but that was after the fact of the sin and He also said to go and sin no more - because then worse things will happen!! Further He also didn't say who remarries another commits adultery and should be stoned - we have to compare apples to apples. On the topic of what Jesus said, it is God's law (under the new covenant), which must be kept, if not we are easily out of covenant and that leads to death, which is warned by many in the NT, no matter how much you did out of love. I recall the believers that are standing in front of Jesus at the judgment and he told them to depart, even though they thought they had done things that were commanded, but obviously they were still in sin somewhere that love or grace could not cover. Or Paul warning with a list of sins that if committed (unrepentant) one would not enter into the kingdom of God. So the reason to be lenient in some cases out of love and it ends up being or leading into sin is what I called dangerous. And that has nothing to do with being religious, because then following Jesus commandments as such would be religious and that is absurd. Rather we have to judge and apply the commandments in love but nevertheless they have to be applied and adhered to. "Seeing truth as a lie" is religion that twists the truth but following God's commandments and rightly applying it (as with all scripture as foundation) is truth and our duty, not a lie! And if we are not admonishing others to do as well we are even unloving, since we should help each other staying on the right path and correct them if necessary and turn a sinner to repentance, that is love, not letting them go down that way further. If that is called legalistic then I rather be legalistic than out of the will of God, let alone in willful sin. I myself want all the help I can get. I rather have someone tell me the legalistic truth in love, than they think they love me and letting me continue in error, because out of the notion they are applying grace.

Back to our topic in light of which I answered the question/comment is, that there are rules set by scripture and Jesus Himself that are there for a reason. The part where scripture is known, again it has to be followed or as Jesus said, one is easily entangled in adultery, no matter if love was the reasoning behind it and remarrying and applying love to a situation, where we think God should be lovingly giving His blessings to it, because we think it should be so done out of love but in fact actually totally lead ourselves or others right into a pitfall of sin. That's why I think it is important to make sure all the rules that apply to this topic are known, so that we know how to decide in each case applying the same rules to it that are scriptural, so we don't let emotions decide our judgment. If we have to make up our mind with each case anew depending on what we think should apply then why did Jesus give us the word and the rules and the warnings of sin to begin with?

This is the reason I started this topic, because I wanted to know, for myself and most likely many others out there how the rules apply to be still in God's will where scripture was not quite clear (to me at least), how one could or shall proceed in specific cases, if someone could come up with an explanation in context and light of all known scriptures and principles of scriptures, original translations, backgrounds and how things were dealt with back then, to find an answer to this subject. There can only be one truth for this topic that applies to the different situations mentioned of possible variations of divorce and remarriage, but for all people alike with the same rules, there aren't different truths for each person or their situations.

I hope I could express myself correctly to get this point across so that it is understood what I meant.

Thanks for all your input though, it's good to mention every aspect of this.

I get with what your saying and as I said I do not give people license to do as they will for the purpose of fulfilling their own lust and desires.

You said that we must take all of scripture into account when deciding what to do or counselling others. None of us ever truly does that. We always have some bias and personal confusion that blinds us to the absolute truth of the situation. Saul had been so blind before the scales fell from his eyes.

What we must do is to take into account that there are consequences for our actions because there is a God who judges righteously.

[Tiger Eye]

 

There has been much division in this thread, and it is not surprising.

I think this couple needs to turn to God and find the answer.

Not the flesh, and not man, but God himself.

And he does not leave us void of answers for everything in our lives.

This couple ultimately has to make the decision for themselves.

And they should ask God's guidance.

I have found three verses to help them.

 

1. James 1:5;

"If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you".

 

2. Psalm 37:4;

"Take delight in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart".

 

3. Proverbs 3:5-6;

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight".

 

Which couple specifically are you referring to? 

My earlier point was that there has to be a rule that guides this matter one way or another, God is not a respecter of persons. One just can't give their blessing to one couple remarrying and not to another, when their situations are pretty much the same. There is too much at stake, running of finto a direction that easily could be out of God's will and into sin. Then they don't know that they need to repent of it, because it is not seen as sin, since a church gave it's blessings to something they should not have...

 

The couple I was referring to was in the OP.

If they cannot be reconciled to their previous marriage and their hearts are right with God, they should be able to marry.

This couple knows more about themselves than others.

This whole thread sounds more like a group of Talmudic Rabbis than anything else.

[Sevenseas]

 

 

Are you reiterating your comparison?

 

It's not in the Bible...it may be your personal belief, but it is not in the Bible.  That comparison is not in the Bible. and so on

 

Oh, I use scripture all the time....but I prefer to keep it in context

 

 

BTW, I am not angry or hurt or offended...not all all...

Good point Seven.

"We must not seek to bind the consciences of other Believers with the private convictions that arise out of our personal walk with God. Even if you believe God has led you in developing those convictions, you still must not elevate them to the level of spiritual principles for everyone else to follow." - Jerry Bridges

 

 

actually I think Seven has misunderstood what faith pleases God was saying. She was not saying they are the same kind of relationship. She clearly explained her view. For seven to then ask if she is making the comparison again is to not have read properly what she said. I disagree with faith pleases God's understanding but I do not wish to see her misrepresented.

 

 

 

say what???    

[Sevenseas]

 

 

 

As your wife committed adultery, even the naysayers against divorce would agree you can remarry.  In fact many would state adultery is THE reason for being allowed to divorce

and remarry.

 

The Bible also states that if the unbeliever wishes to leave...let them...Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.  I Cor 7:15

 

However, I have no problem with you wanting her to stay...I can understand that.

 

That's the black and white answer...and this is not hypothetical for many here..

 

Just to quickly interject here, I think you answered you own question/statement here that you stated in the prior post.

If scripture gives a specific reason for a matter to be a decisive rule for that matter and no other beyond that, then we simply cannot make up another reason to decide that matter. Everything else is in danger of walking out of God's will into sin.

In this case Jesus Himself even stated explicitly that this is to be the reason that rules to decide this matter and Paul led by the Holy Spirit stated the only other one found in God's word under this New Covenant. And Jesus even gave an explanation to why that is:

Because people out of their hardened hearts were giving all kinds of reasons why they wanted to divorce their spouse (under Moses), so He said that this will not work like that anymore and He made a stricter rule, which was even given from the beginning, but temporarily changed under the old Law.

 

 

 

Uh...no....

 

I answered fire's post....NOT the op.  You are drawing conclusions here and not representing my post

 

I have given my thoughts on the matter throughout this thread.

 

I have not altered my position.

 

I am starting to get irritated by those who want to jam their take on one verse into everyone elses' life.

 

 

Didn't draw any conclusions that are misrepresenting your post:

 

This was your prior post I was referring to:

"I simply no longer believe God expects us to stay with a spouse that is unfaithful to the marriage covenant and I believe there are more ways then one to break that covenant"--

 

Then you answered fire's post with the truth from scripture, you answered him exactly that what you were saying you didn't believe in that statement you made prior. I have read your thoughts, that's exactly why I posted this.

Nobody is jamming their take (especially) on ONE verse down anybody's life. Why would you think that? If at all this is a quest for truth and we are comparing all scriptures with each other (not just one) in light of scripture itself and the principle of it.

Reread what I stated, there is only an answer to how scripture is and must be interpreted so that it is not done wrong. There are scriptures that can't be changed into any other meaning, they are self explanatory. If it says, e.g. "you should not lie" one can't go and say well, if it helps someone else, a little lie is not that bad or permissible. That would be altering scripture by adding to it. We just can't do that and still be in God's will. That's what I meant.

You are definitely entitled to your own opinion and believe but you have to be aware that it could be out of the will of God to do so, and the example you gave on this topic it just is not supported by scripture, no matter how anybody wants to turn or interpret it, there is just no interpreting that into it there. That's all.

 

 

 

 

Didn't draw any conclusions that are misrepresenting your post:

 

This was your prior post I was referring to:

"I simply no longer believe God expects us to stay with a spouse that is unfaithful to the marriage covenant and I believe there are more ways then one to break that covenant"--

 

Then you answered fire's post with the truth from scripture, you answered him exactly that what you were saying you didn't believe in that statement you made prior. I have read your thoughts, that's exactly why I posted this.

Nobody is jamming their take (especially) on ONE verse down anybody's life. Why would you think that? If at all this is a quest for truth and we are comparing all scriptures with each other (not just one) in light of scripture itself and the principle of it.

 

 

yeah....no, I understood pefectly what you said and why you said it.

 

You consider my statement to be opinion and what I replied to fire as biblical truth.

 

Well, you haven't read my thoughts...or the times I change what I wrote...you have read what I wrote; that's it...that's all.  I have plenty more thoughts on the matter

which I have not expressed and most likely will not express.  

 

FYI, I have already done my quest for truth and agonized over it, so again, you do not know my thoughts.  

 

My statement does not contradict anything.  I answered fire according to his situation.  Nothing more nothing less. There is nothing for debate in his situation because

it is simple and involves adultery. Try and hold two thoughts together on that one and you might see what I am getting at.  

 

As far as what you state regarding scripture, well I have no arguement with that...but you are not the final authority on all that scripture states...I don't believe anyone is.

I believe the Bible is the word of God...but too many people try and make it their own words and then say they speak for God.  Been there, listened to that and wish

I hadn't.

 

 

 

 

You are definitely entitled to your own opinion and believe but you have to be aware that it could be out of the will of God to do so, and the example you gave on this topic it just is not supported by scripture, no matter how anybody wants to turn or interpret it, there is just no interpreting that into it there. That's all.

 

I disagree.  Telling someone they may be out of the will of God and believing they know everything a person thinks because they read a few posts is really

stretching things IMO.

 

Really.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

 

Sin leads to Hell and death. We should not willfully sin after receiving knowledge of the truth. However, I will not ask who ascends or descends. I am not the deciding factor for one's salvation. However, you should have clean hands and a pure heart. You should also work out your salvation with fear and trembling... no?

Divorce is not adultery. We are talking about remarriage and what is adultery. 

Although this is a sensitive issue, there is a simple answer. And Jesus gives it. He did not say it's complicated when asked, did He?

 

 

The issue is in evaluating this discussion on marriage, divorce, and re-marriage one must take a look at the entire flow of Scripture.

Again, let me rephrase my question.

If a person divorces and re-marries yet they claim Jesus Christ as Savior are they going to face eternal death (hell)?

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

I think I already answered this question several times in my posts and answers to others, please reread my posts for it, thanks.

 

Sorry I was asking Faith please God. I've read what you've said Warrior and I think I understand your position. Anything you wanted to highlight or re-emphasize?

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

I have stayed away from this thread because it is personal for me. However, it seems that people love talking in hypothetical situations these days. But this is real and affects real people with real feelings. So let me put a face to this conversation so people don't have to use a hypothetical.

 

My situation with this is simple. When me and my now ex-wife got married she was following no religion and I was a satanist. During our marriage I got saved, she did not. Long story short, she left me telling me she had been sleeping with other people and wanted to be with one of them and also she didn't agree with Christianity, she wanted to follow Wicca or witchcraft as most would call it. I begged her to stay and she would not. After a few years, she decided she wanted to marry another guy she had hooked up with, which meant she needed to divorce me. I fought the divorce but she went through with it and divorced me against my will. I am a single Father of 2 kids ( yes I got the kids ) if I was to find someone and remarry, would it be a sin? Why or Why not.

 

I ask for responses but I am not sure if I will respond much because of this being so personal for me. I  hope everyone understands. 

 

First of all I am very sorry that happened to you, and yes, it is even harder when children are involved. But I thank God that He saved you out of that past dark path you were on and brought you into the Light.

To briefly answer your question, as I already did several times in my prior posts (if you care to read or reread), because it is also especially for people like yourself that I made this post, to ask for truth to make it known and provide answers that will bring people into the right walk with God or keep them on it. 

Since your ex-wife was unfaithful in this case scripture states that you are free to remarry since she had broken the marriage covenant. Especially in your case I have to say, if your ex-wife was not interested to accept Jesus even any time down the road and leave the occult ways, it would have been extraordinary hard to continue this relationship, since there would have been a lot of spiritual issues, more so than with an unbeliever who just doesn't believe, without being into the occult. 

 

+1

I too sympathize. So sorry this happened. Firestormx you are loved brother!

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

 

Are you reiterating your comparison?

 

It's not in the Bible...it may be your personal belief, but it is not in the Bible.  That comparison is not in the Bible. and so on

 

Oh, I use scripture all the time....but I prefer to keep it in context

 

 

BTW, I am not angry or hurt or offended...not all all...

Good point Seven.

"We must not seek to bind the consciences of other Believers with the private convictions that arise out of our personal walk with God. Even if you believe God has led you in developing those convictions, you still must not elevate them to the level of spiritual principles for everyone else to follow." - Jerry Bridges

 

 

actually I think Seven has misunderstood what faith pleases God was saying. She was not saying they are the same kind of relationship. She clearly explained her view. For seven to then ask if she is making the comparison again is to not have read properly what she said. I disagree with faith pleases God's understanding but I do not wish to see her misrepresented.

 

 

 

say what???    

 

+1 to "say what" comment. Whatever you were trying to communicate was lost in translation Another Poster... Lol.

 

If that is the case then I've misunderstood what Faith Pleases God was saying too. I don't think he was being misrepresented here. Faith Pleases God was comparing masters/slaves to husbands/wives. The Bible never makes that comparison. It's really that simple.

Faith Pleases God is a guy btw.

God bless,

GE