Arka Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) I used to think that the Ten Commandments forbade lying, but my brother recently pointed out to me that this is not the case. The actual commandment in Deuteronomy deals with a very specific type of lie: 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Is there somewhere else in the Bible that establishes lying in general as a sin? Edited October 13, 2014 by Arka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 Revelation 21:8But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.Making a practice to lie is a sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arka Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Making a practice to lie is a sin. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His_disciple3 Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 358 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 James 4:1717 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miriam40012 Posted October 20, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/16/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2014 Love “rejoices with the truth” 1Corinthians13:6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Are all lies created equal? There was a fishing family in the Netherlands who were using their fishing boat to hide and transport Jews out of the country during the time that the Netherlands were under Nazi occupation. One day, as they were getting ready to depart with a Jewish family down in the bottom of the boat covered by tarps and nets and other fishing equipment, they were approached by two Nazi soldiers. The soldiers asked the father of the family if they were the only ones in the boat, or if they had any passengers. He respond that he and his sons were the only ones in the boat. He managed to looking convincingly at the soldiers in the eye. The soldiers believed him and told him to carry on and they managed to get the family to safety. Now had he told the truth, he and his family would have been arrested and his family and the Jewish family would likely have been murdered in the camps. Did he sin by lying to to soldiers or should he have told the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted October 20, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2014 Are all lies created equal? There was a fishing family in the Netherlands who were using their fishing boat to hide and transport Jews out of the country during the time that the Netherlands were under Nazi occupation. One day, as they were getting ready to depart with a Jewish family down in the bottom of the boat covered by tarps and nets and other fishing equipment, they were approached by two Nazi soldiers. The soldiers asked the father of the family if they were the only ones in the boat, or if they had any passengers. He respond that he and his sons were the only ones in the boat. He managed to looking convincingly at the soldiers in the eye. The soldiers believed him and told him to carry on and they managed to get the family to safety. Now had he told the truth, he and his family would have been arrested and his family and the Jewish family would likely have been murdered in the camps. Did he sin by lying to to soldiers or should he have told the truth? Just saying.. It was not the lie that saved the family.. The Nazi soldiers could have still searched for the boat and found the others. It was grace of God.. If the person had said "I am hiding some Jews and they are hiding at bottom of the boat". The Nazis might have thought this guy is crazy or pulling some jokes and left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Are all lies created equal? There was a fishing family in the Netherlands who were using their fishing boat to hide and transport Jews out of the country during the time that the Netherlands were under Nazi occupation. One day, as they were getting ready to depart with a Jewish family down in the bottom of the boat covered by tarps and nets and other fishing equipment, they were approached by two Nazi soldiers. The soldiers asked the father of the family if they were the only ones in the boat, or if they had any passengers. He respond that he and his sons were the only ones in the boat. He managed to looking convincingly at the soldiers in the eye. The soldiers believed him and told him to carry on and they managed to get the family to safety. Now had he told the truth, he and his family would have been arrested and his family and the Jewish family would likely have been murdered in the camps. Did he sin by lying to to soldiers or should he have told the truth? Just saying.. It was not the lie that saved the family.. The Nazi soldiers could have still searched for the boat and found the others. It was grace of God.. If the person had said "I am hiding some Jews and they are hiding at bottom of the boat". The Nazis might have thought this guy is crazy or pulling some jokes and left. I am not saying the lie saved the family. That's not the point at all. The question is, was the family wrong to lie to the Nazi soldiers in an attempt to save human lives from certain murder? Furthermore, I think it is little bit of a stretch to think the soldiers would have thought they were joking. That is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Are all lies created equal? There was a fishing family in the Netherlands who were using their fishing boat to hide and transport Jews out of the country during the time that the Netherlands were under Nazi occupation. One day, as they were getting ready to depart with a Jewish family down in the bottom of the boat covered by tarps and nets and other fishing equipment, they were approached by two Nazi soldiers. The soldiers asked the father of the family if they were the only ones in the boat, or if they had any passengers. He respond that he and his sons were the only ones in the boat. He managed to looking convincingly at the soldiers in the eye. The soldiers believed him and told him to carry on and they managed to get the family to safety. Now had he told the truth, he and his family would have been arrested and his family and the Jewish family would likely have been murdered in the camps. Did he sin by lying to to soldiers or should he have told the truth? Just saying.. It was not the lie that saved the family.. The Nazi soldiers could have still searched for the boat and found the others. It was grace of God.. If the person had said "I am hiding some Jews and they are hiding at bottom of the boat". The Nazis might have thought this guy is crazy or pulling some jokes and left. I am not saying the lie saved the family. That's not the point at all. The question is, was the family wrong to lie to the Nazi soldiers in an attempt to save human lives from certain murder? Furthermore, I think it is little bit of a stretch to think the soldiers would have thought they were joking. That is just silly. It is a difficult question to answer. I think that the intent of the lie is the core of the answer. Fascism is evil, millions of Jews were being murdered, the fisherman knew his life and those of his passengers hung in the balance. He was almost obliged to lie. A guy driving a car full of hidden illegal on the Mexican border gets stopped and asked by a police officer "is there anyone hiding in the vehicle", and he answers "no". The intent of the lie is different is it not? And therefore wrong. As I say, a difficult question because there is no right or wrong answer. Does this make me look fat"? Be diplomatic, very, very diplomatic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted October 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 22, 2014 It is the intent of the heart that God judges, not the action itself. If I gave a million dollars to a charity, not because it is something God moved me to do but for selfish gain, will this be seen as a work of wood or of gold when I stand in judgment? The world sees it as a good thing, but God knows my heart. I am sure we can bring up post after post of lies that saved peoples lives. The question is, does our reasoning trump scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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