One-Sided Racism in the United States and the West

[Guest LadyC]

math was never my strong suit. however, the bottom line is you're ignoring a very important factor. and that is that the incident of fatherless homes is way, way higher in black families than in white families... and that most criminals are from fatherless homes.

 

it's time to start addressing the problem. and the problem isn't racism.

[shoes_untied]

math was never my strong suit. however, the bottom line is you're ignoring a very important factor. and that is that the incident of fatherless homes is way, way higher in black families than in white families... and that most criminals are from fatherless homes.

 

it's time to start addressing the problem. and the problem isn't racism.

 

I am not ignoring that at all.  I have no argument with the your conclusions about the affect of fatherless families.  My response was to you misrepresenting race based statistics and declaring that it was evidence of liberal media bias.

Edited November 18, 2014 by shoes_untied

[Guest LadyC]

my mathematical analysis may be screwed up but the evidence of liberal bias is not misrepresented. the liberal agenda promotes fatherless-ness. fatherless-ness results in far greater numbers of criminals. most convicted criminals are black. most convicted criminals are also fatherless.

 

furthermore, the sheer fact that white on black crimes get all the attention and black on white get nearly none at all, is also evidence of liberal media bias and agenda. the link between THAT and fatherless-ness may not exist, but both factor into liberal media coverage.

 

and such coverage serves no good purpose. in fact, the unbalanced coverage encourages race-baiting and racism. and it PROMOTES criminal activity. intentional? of course not. but it's the effect, nonetheless. that's what  victim mentality does.

[Guest LadyC]

by the way, i'm headed to bed so i won't be responding anymore tonight.

[Guest]

Of course, nobody yet knows the motive behind this heinous crime;

 

but then again, nobody bothered to ask about the motive before Sharpton....

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/11/14/black-males-open-fire-on-5-year-old-white-girl-wheres-sharpton-and-jackson/

 

 

 

Well Beloved I Don't Know About The Author Of This Hit Piece

 

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Proverbs 6:16-19

 

But Dear Brother Al Is Only Too Well Acquainted With Senseless Violence

 

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 1 Peter 4:12-13

 

And The Motive Behind The Murder Of Any Of Our Children Is Well Documented

 

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44

 

So Do We Bit And Devour Our Pastors Standing By Their Flock

 

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

 

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

 

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:13-16

 

Or Do We Hold Them Up In Prayer

 

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

 

For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

 

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

 

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1 Timothy 2:1-6

 

With Love

 

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

 

Be of the same mind one toward another.

 

Mind not high things,

 

but condescend to men of low estate.

 

Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 12:15-16

 

And Respect

 

~

 

Thank You LORD Jesus For Dear Brother Sharpton

He Is A Blessing To A Precious People

Troubled By The Wicked

 

You Know LORD

You Know

 

Thank You Abba Father

Bless You My LORD My God My Jesus

And Holy Spirit Of The Living God Fall Afresh On Worthy

 

Amen~!

 

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[shoes_untied]

my mathematical analysis may be screwed up but the evidence of liberal bias is not misrepresented. the liberal agenda promotes fatherless-ness. fatherless-ness results in far greater numbers of criminals. most convicted criminals are black. most convicted criminals are also fatherless.

 

furthermore, the sheer fact that white on black crimes get all the attention and black on white get nearly none at all, is also evidence of liberal media bias and agenda. the link between THAT and fatherless-ness may not exist, but both factor into liberal media coverage.

 

and such coverage serves no good purpose. in fact, the unbalanced coverage encourages race-baiting and racism. and it PROMOTES criminal activity. intentional? of course not. but it's the effect, nonetheless. that's what  victim mentality does.

 

I do think that on average press writers are liberal leaning.  That is probably the result of a profession that does need to make ends meet to exist.  I think news organizations as a whole that have to make a profit are more populist and will run whatever they think will generate traffic.  The result of this is that they are a lot like politicians in that there is a lot of incentive to pander to the masses and use shock and awe to attract attention.

 

Regarding the under reporting of black on white vs. white on black hate race based crimes.  I think this is correct except that I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't think this is based on conspiracy.  Even though we have come a long way in this country, whites still enjoy considerable more institutional and just arbitrary privilege over blacks.  As a result, when you have white on black race based crime there is an added dimension.  People are disappointed in both the crime and that a race that enjoys much privilege would resort to this type of thing.  That makes it more newsworthy.  It is less surprising to people when a group that does not enjoy the same institutional and arbitrary privilege resorts to violence because they have fewer other outlets to express rage.  As a result black on white race based crime raises fewer eye

 balls, and tends to be less news worthy to those who make money in that business.  Your statistic about more blacks being convicted than whites which, despite the misapplication of other stats you present, I will assume are correct likely is evidence of institutional privilege.  Arrested blacks are less likely to be able to afford good legal counsel, are subject to more visceral negativity to juries, etc... 

 

A final irony here is that you say that race baiting just encourages more violence yet this whole discussion was launched from a tea party article that was a flagrant example of race baiting, contained falsehoods, and yet it has received unanimous support from every poster except me.

Edited November 18, 2014 by shoes_untied

[Guest]

it has received unanimous support from every poster except me....

 

 

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

 

I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,

 

to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:15

[JustinM]

 

 

 

This is what LadyC, Ayin Jade and others mean, when they say there is one sided racism.  AG Eric Holder refuses to prosecute black on white hate crime.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/02/11507850-questions-raised-over-virginia-newspapers-delay-in-report-of-attack-on-reporters?lite

 

***Link removed***

 

That link does not work. I think this is the story you attempted to post. 

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/02/11507850-questions-raised-over-virginia-newspapers-delay-in-report-of-attack-on-reporters?lite

Thanks!

 

 

In a world of Google where you can always find an example to support whatever you want to believe, you are going back 2 1/2 years to find an example which suggest to me that whites are not undergoing a bombardment of suspected hate crimes.  Sure this does appear to be suppressing a potentially racially charged issue but it does not mean that racism is one sided.  If what you are saying is that racism favors others ethnicities over whites that is a completely different statement than saying it only goes in one direction.  Whether or not it is slanted against whites is something worth debating that you and I probably don't agree on but is always good discussion.  Regarding the article.  There really doesn't seem to be evidence that this is anything other than an assault.  There isn't any evidence of racial motivation so I don't see how it would be prosecuted as a hate crime.  However, yeah, I agree it does look like the news suppressed it because it was black on white.

 

 

I recommend that you or anyone who is interested, read the book, White Girl Bleed A Lot by Colin Flaherty.  Black on white violence is a real problem in this country and this book annotates over hundreds of incidents of B-W crime going back to at least 2009.

 

If you have an open mind, you will at least read the free sample given at the link.

[Guest LadyC]

i disagree that it was a race baiting article. maybe i should read it more carefully. oh wait, i did! what *I* see in that article is whites that are fed up with an attitude, a mentality, that has NOTHING to do with skin color. the article is critical of liberals, including the liberal media as well as the two most viciously racist liberals in america... jackson and sharpton. liberal baiting maybe. but there was no race baiting.

 

your whole conception of white people being more privileged and not raising so many eyebrows when they commit crimes against black people is skewed. backwards even. in today's culture, white people have to go the extra mile to make sure their actions don't get misconstrued as being about race. and every crime they do commit against a black person is viewed as more heinous in nature than a black against white crime because it's akin to a hate crime. social outcry, media attention, and judges and juries are quick to defend the "victim" even if the victim was a criminal and the "perp" was acting in defense of himself or someone else. and in the workplace, white people are more likely to get harsher discipline or even fired in a rush to judgment against them because of the FEAR associated with not doing enough. 

 

tables are turned, shoes. i don't know a single white person who hates black people because of their skin color. 

but i'm one of millions who hate the ATTITUDE that has permeated black culture.

it's not about race.

 

for the record though, i frequently hear black people hating white people for no other reason than skin color.

 

THAT is about race.

 

and furthermore, the tea party movement isn't racist, and despite liberal claims, i've never heard or seen a single example of racial preference or race baiting by anyone in the movement. not one.

 

i see race baiting constantly from liberals and minorities.

 

by the way, you are aware aren't you, that it's the democratic party who has historically suppressed minorities, right? even in recent years. they say all the right words, but they don't back them up. the actions of conservatives in this country have always been more supportive of minorities, and even of immigrants... providing the minorities and the immigrants aren't breaking laws and taking advantage of law abiding citizens and tax payers to get ahead.

[shoes_untied]

This will be my last response to this thread since it really isn't going anywhere.  I'll wait for a new thread that interests me and join in then.

 

"i disagree that it was a race baiting article. maybe i should read it more carefully. oh wait, i did! what *I* see in that article is whites that are fed up with an attitude, a mentality, that has NOTHING to do with skin color. the article is critical of liberals, including the liberal media as well as the two most viciously racist liberals in america... jackson and sharpton. liberal baiting maybe. but there was no race baiting."

 

This article is a flagrant example of race baiting and if it had been posted with the ethnicity switched you would call it that.  It's not just race baiting if you don't agree with it.  Let me recap.  No suspect descriptions have been released.  Even if it turns out the shooters were black, the article was race baiting before that info was available.  It then goes on to mislead about how the press is downplaying this as a stray bullet which was a flagrant lie in order to enhance the bait.  You may have read the article closely but you did not check the facts.

 

"your whole conception of white people being more privileged and not raising so many eyebrows when they commit crimes against black people is skewed. backwards even. in today's culture, white people have to go the extra mile to make sure their actions don't get misconstrued as being about race. and every crime they do commit against a black person is viewed as more heinous in nature than a black against white crime because it's akin to a hate crime. social outcry, media attention, and judges and juries are quick to defend the "victim" even if the victim was a criminal and the "perp" was acting in defense of himself or someone else. and in the workplace, white people are more likely to get harsher discipline or even fired in a rush to judgment against them because of the FEAR associated with not doing enough. "

 

Actually I said white on black crime does raise more eyebrows.

 

" i don't know a single white person who hates black people because of their skin color. "

 

This pretty much sums it up and explains why you can't see racism in your own mirror.  But let me explain:  It is not about hating a race because of it's skin color, it is about hating a race.  You have marginalized racism to give yourself little legalistic ways to deny it.

 

"for the record though, i frequently hear black people hating white people for no other reason than skin color."

 

Again, there you go with the generalizations.  The exact kind of generalizations you object to when the table are turned.

 

"and furthermore, the tea party movement isn't racist, and despite liberal claims, i've never heard or seen a single example of racial preference or race baiting by anyone in the movement. not one."

 

Again this article is about racism.  Your comments are also very racists but you've created a bunch of little rationalizations to convince yourself they are not.  Again, if a black person made the kind of comments you are making you would call them racist.  The type of comments you make are very similar to what you think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton make that you are probably sure are racist.

 

"i see race baiting constantly from liberals and minorities."

 

I do too.  It doesn't mean that this article was not also race baiting.

 

"by the way, you are aware aren't you, that it's the democratic party who has historically suppressed minorities, right? even in recent years. they say all the right words, but they don't back them up. the actions of conservatives in this country have always been more supportive of minorities, and even of immigrants... providing the minorities and the immigrants aren't breaking laws and taking advantage of law abiding citizens and tax payers to get ahead"

 

I am a registered Republican and have been for many years although I would consider myself a moderate.  I really could care less what a party stood for many years ago.  I'm more interested in what thy stand for today.  Having said that though.  Your reference to the past is a frequently used but misleading reference about party suppression of minorities.  The boll weevil southern democrats in the south who are the ones people point to as part of the suppression of minorities largely switched their allegiance to the Republican Party part during the Goldwater campaign against LBJ and that was largely due to LBJ's support of the 1964 civil rights act.  So yes, technically the Democrat Party was more involved with suppressing minorities decades ago but using that argument is again using a technicality (party lables) to suppress the truth the people doing the suppressing simply switched parties.  It doesn't take a PHD in History to see right through that argument.

 

The whole idea of hate crime laws is inherently ridiculous anyway.  I'm surprised you haven't argued that because we probably agree on that.  It's redundant.  If someone commits a crime, they should be punished.  Is no more honorable if it was a drug deal gone bad vs. racial hatred.