Satan and Music

[Guest Preach]

I'm trying to locate the scripture that speaks about satan be the minister of music in heaven.

[Leonard]

You search in vain, friend! It just isn't there! Look at the passages which mention 'King of Tyre' instead (Ezek. 28:13-14).

[Botz]

Hi Preach...It is as Leonard said...

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Lucifer may have been a musical being...in that all the angels of Heaven worshipped the L-rd -d Almighty...but nowhere does it say/suggest/hint that he was the minister of music to the best of my understanding.

The pending destruction of Tyre and the present King who was probably a chap called Ithobalus are being contrasted with Lucifer who was cast out of Heaven and Adam who was expelled from the Garden of Eden...commentaries disagree with each other...but this is how I read it.

[Leonard]

Could be Botz. I tend to just think the Hebrew prophets spoke in very high-flung imagery.

[JLW001]

Could be Botz.  I tend to just think the Hebrew prophets spoke in very high-flung imagery.

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Does God allow anything within his book that is not good for the instruction of his own? Remember the Hebrew prophets put pen to paper, but it was God who wrote the books.

[Leonard]

....and we who so often misinterpret what God was telling us!

[Guest Sara929]

Oh a releated note, an excellent, all though startling... but isn't most truth?, documentary is "They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll", the 4 hour version.

Produced and distributed by www.goodfight.org

It will have alot of well documented info you may find useful, most people who've watched it with me have been blown away enough to toss most of their cd collections.

Edited January 30, 2005 by Sara929

[Botz]

Hi Sara. I watched the shortened version of the video...it is nothing new really...there is a potential for good and evil in most things...I like a lot of Rock but obviously if some of it has an ungodly aspect to it and has been dedicated to evil we should not participate.

As for the comments about the word of G-d...yes we do misinterpret quite a lot sometimes...but I also believe there is great diversity within the Scriptures that can effectively work at various levels...this is historically the case with the many Jewish scholars who bring tried and tested methods of exploring biblical meaning to the Holy writ in an effort to squeeze the last drop of truth from the words.

The word of G-d is unusual and differs from all other writings in that it is alive and is not limited to the finite understanding of the mind of men...and what the Holy Spirit reveals to the heart of one person may be very different to what is revealed to someone else....this is not a case of G-d shifting the goal-posts but of catering for each of us as individuals by tailoring the emphasis to fit our individual needs.

[JLW001]

Hi Sara.  I watched the shortened version of the video...it is nothing new really...there is a potential for good and evil in most things...I like a lot of Rock but obviously if some of it has an ungodly aspect to it and has been dedicated to evil we should not participate.

As for the comments about the word of G-d...yes we do misinterpret quite a lot sometimes...but I also believe there is great diversity within the Scriptures that can effectively work at various levels...this is historically the case with the many Jewish scholars who bring tried and tested methods of exploring biblical meaning to the Holy writ in an effort to squeeze the last drop of truth from the words.

The word of G-d is unusual and differs from all other writings in that it is alive and is not limited to the finite understanding of the mind of men...and what the Holy Spirit reveals to the heart of one person may be very different to what is revealed to someone else....this is not a case of G-d shifting the goal-posts but of catering for each of us as individuals by tailoring the emphasis to fit our individual needs.

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I understand what you are saying about God revealing different levels of His nature through the Bible as a Christian matures. But I don't think I agree that the Bible is not absolute. Within it are absolutes: The Ten Commandments, Jesus our Savior, Grace through his sacrifice/Jesus is sufficient, and Jesus' return with New Jerusalem to setup His Kingdom.

These things are borne out in the Bible quite plainly. Besides prayer, the one idea that guides my study is that the Bible can not contradict itself. If passages seem to contradict one another, then my understanding is at fault not the Bible.

[Botz]

Hi Jamie. Sorry only just saw I had not addressed your comment.

I understand what you are saying about God revealing different levels of His nature through the Bible as a Christian matures. But I don't think I agree that the Bible is not absolute. Within it are absolutes: The Ten Commandments, Jesus our Savior, Grace through his sacrifice/Jesus is sufficient, and Jesus' return with New Jerusalem to setup His Kingdom.

These things are borne out in the Bible quite plainly. Besides prayer, the one idea that guides my study is that the Bible can not contradict itself. If passages seem to contradict one another, then my understanding is at fault not the Bible

I totally agree with the truth about biblical absolutes as you have clearly pointed out...what I was suggesting is that the Bible often hints at several things within one passage...especially in a prophetic context and this may not be apparent for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Take for example Isaiah 53 which ostensibly might generally refer to the nation of Israel and their sufferings but has a much more defined and absolute meaning when it is seen as the suffering of the L-rd (as you are probably aware the Jews today see that passage as referring to them and not Jesus.)

Take another example. The description of the lambs blood placed on the door posts and the lintel in the household of the Israelites about to leave Egypt.

It is a straightforward description and means exactly what it says...and yet a quick look at the words and the imagery will also reveal other interesting and relevant truths....the lintel and the door-posts are in the shape of the Hebrew letter 'Chet'...this translated by itself means 'sin' The Angel of Death 'passed over ' every house daubed with Lanbs blood in these places....we know that through the blood of the Lamb our sins have been passed-over...He is our 'Passover Lamb'.

You could even take the 10 Commandments that you have mentioned and see that sometimes one Law can supercede another Law...but I am sure you are aware of this...hope it clarifies a little.