*Zion* Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are you saying that Adam did not have his own mind to refuse to sin? Just Eve chose to listen to the serpent, so Adam chose to listen to Eve. It is easier to blame someone else for your own mistakes instead of accepting them as your own, because all actions, including mistakes, have consequences. Blame them both for choosing to do something wrong that they had every freedom to decide against. To say it is all Eve's fault is equally bias, and if you think about it, an irresponsible way of dealing with the issue. Yes,Eve blew it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigape Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 28 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2008 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 If women would stay home “where they are suppose to be”(Titus 2:5), then there would be no women in the workplace, for the disaffectioned husband to be attracted to. Therefore women are to be blamed in two ways. But we don’t live in a perfect world! Therefore wives should do all they can to please their husbands and husbands should do all they can to please their wives and stay true to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are you saying that Adam did not have his own mind to refuse to sin? Just Eve chose to listen to the serpent, so Adam chose to listen to Eve. It is easier to blame someone else for your own mistakes instead of accepting them as your own, because all actions, including mistakes, have consequences. Blame them both for choosing to do something wrong that they had every freedom to decide against. To say it is all Eve's fault is equally bias, and if you think about it, an irresponsible way of dealing with the issue. Yes,Eve blew it Yes,but from what I have seen Adam was sitting right next to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2015 If women would stay home “where they are suppose to be”(Titus 2:5), then there would be no women in the workplace, for the disaffectioned husband to be attracted to. Therefore women are to be blamed in two ways. But we don’t live in a perfect world! Therefore wives should do all they can to please their husbands and husbands should do all they can to please their wives and stay true to them. Oh boy I am not even going to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If women would stay home “where they are suppose to be”(Titus 2:5), then there would be no women in the workplace, for the disaffectioned husband to be attracted to. Therefore women are to be blamed in two ways. But we don’t live in a perfect world! Therefore wives should do all they can to please their husbands and husbands should do all they can to please their wives and stay true to them. Oh boy I am not even going to go there. Bigape, I am going to go there. Did you know that women are everywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is what Titus 2:5 really means. Titus 2:4-5 shares that older women are to "train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled." This passage does not condemn work outside of the home, but clearly highlights the importance of caring for family matters as top priority to Christian mothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 That's a lot of garbge, big ape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ezra, The Bible says that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not, meaning that Adam was disobedient on purpose. The Bible puts the blame on Adam, not on Eve. You really need to come to grips with that. If you carefully read what I said, I have not denied this. All I am saying is "Who got the ball rolling?" And "Who was reprimanded for it?" People who are deceived CHOOSE to be deceived. How is it that so many accept the false doctrine of the cults? They choose to do so. How is it that so many accept the false Christianity of the RCC? They choose to do so. Eve made a choice. No one compelled her except her own lusts. The reasons God put the blame squarely on Adam are as follows: 1. Adam was clearly given a comandment. We are not told whether he conveyed it to Eve or not, but he did have a responsiblity to do so. 2. Adam was the "head" of Eve, just as every Christian husband is the head of his wife and family. Adam failed to exercise his headship as was his duty. 3. Adam could have refused to join Eve in her disobedience. He deliberately chose not do so, and in fact deliberately disobeyed God. 4. Adam could have taught Eve that she was to make no decisions without consulting with him. Evidently he did not do even this. 5. Adam could have taught Eve that because God had so abundantly blessed them with the Garden of Eden, and also given them stewardship over it, that should suffice. Evidently he failed to do so. In other words, Adam proved to be a failure both as a husband and as a servant of God. But Eve was by no means innocent of wrongdoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 As far as the Scriptures are concerned, that is a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted July 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The serpent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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