Ezra Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.33 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Therese:Hope this addresses your questions, and why calling Jesus "a refugee" in this context is nonsense.The Saudi government will not accept any migrants from Syria, but it will build 200 Saudi-run mosques in Germany to hinder any social integration of the Muslims into Germany’s liberal and low-conflict society.“The Lebanese newspaper Ad-Diyar first reported the offer last week, citing a request by a committee of sheikhs,” reports International Business Times. “Saudi Arabia also vowed to donate at least $200 million, according to the Lebanese paper, although whether that was to support the refugees or to build the suggested mosques was unclear.”In Islamic traditions, which Saudi Arabia claims to uphold and enforce, Islam should be spread by jihad wars and by migrations, dubbed a hijra. By building mosques run by supervision of Saudi-selected clerics, Muslims in Europe can be kept under Saudi influence, and expand the faith though births and a continuing hijra. Turkey has followed a similar course by pushing for Turkish-run mosques and schools in Germany that would segregate the many Turks who have migrated to Germany, which is the birthplace of protestant Christianity.IBT notes this Saudi proposal “comes amid growing accusations of hypocrisy directed toward the wealthy gulf nation and its neighbors for taking in few, if any, refugees from the ongoing four-year civil war in Syria, even as they funnel support to groups fighting there".http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/10/report-saudis-to-build-200-mosques-for-migrants-in-germany/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/franklin-graham-jesus-was-a-refugee/ Frankin Graham is trying to drum up sympathy for the Muslim refugee crisis by abusing Scripture. "Jesus was a refugee" he claims. That is utterly false. The child Jesus went with Joseph and Mary to Egypt at the behest of God the Father, because Herod would have destroyed the genuine King of the Jews. They did not seek help or assistance from the Egyptian ruler either. So to muddy the waters regarding the Islamic Invasion of Europe with the sheltering of the Christ child is really unconscionable. We all can heartily sympathize with the plight of the Syrian refugees. But where are Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, and Russia in providing shelter to those refugees? Why does Graham not hold these countries accountable? And was this a deliberate move by ISIS and the Islamic Jihadists to flood Europe with Muslims and eventually take it over? Ezra, where do you get your extra biblical information from as to what the family of Jesus did and did not do when they went to Egypt? And what are you using to create such a definition of refugee? Here is the proper definition: ref·u·gee ˌrefyo͝oˈjē/ noun a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. Certainly sounds to me as if Jesus, Mary and Joseph were indeed refugees by definition - they were escaping persecution. Why does everyone else but us have any obligation to shelter these refugees from Syria? That is what I thought.I do not see anything wrong with it. :D We agreed.I have to shout this to the world. I love it when we agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yeah, I think Graham is really stretching on this one. These refugees are a mix of actual refugees and members of ISIS who are blending in to get a better foothold in Europe. Europe will be sorry they let them in.One picture I saw of one of the refugees showed him when he was a member of the Al Nusra Front terrorist organization back in 2013.I can not see anything positive either.Today on the news it said Obama will allow 10,000 of them to come into the U.S. next year.He probably has no plan on how he intends to house and feed all these people, as well as provide medical care and employment.One thing NO ONE seems to be addressing is the possibility of bringing disease into the host countries. Many of these people have never seen a doctor or been vaccinated. Very good point!We seem to have forgotten that Mr. Obama had a plan to deliberately infect thousands of Americans with Ebola. Even the contiguous West African countries would have none of it, but the USA was supposed to become a hothouse for the most virulent form of Ebola.Back to the subject of Mr. Graham. In the same breath as talking about "Jesus was a Refugee" he was trying to defend religious freedom while supporting a Muslim Invasion of the USA. He is either naive or blind to the fact that the ultimate goal of Radical Islam is to establish Sharia Law in the USA so that Christian religious freedom becomes a thing of the past. One cannot establish a church in Saudi Arabia, but mosques (which radicalize their youth) are proliferating in North America and Europe because of the foolishness of the politicians. BTW there is a news item today that in one school in Tennessee, children are being taught that the only God is Allah! Yet the attacks on the Bible and Christianity are allowed to increase day by day.Quote: He is either naive or blind to the fact that the ultimate goal of Radical Islam is to establish Sharia Law in the USA so that Christian religious freedom becomes a thing of the past. UnquoteBeing knowledgeable of Christianity does not make one knowledgeable of Islam.Many Christians do not understand Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/franklin-graham-jesus-was-a-refugee/Frankin Graham is trying to drum up sympathy for the Muslim refugee crisis by abusing Scripture. "Jesus was a refugee" he claims. That is utterly false. The child Jesus went with Joseph and Mary to Egypt at the behest of God the Father, because Herod would have destroyed the genuine King of the Jews. They did not seek help or assistance from the Egyptian ruler either. So to muddy the waters regarding the Islamic Invasion of Europe with the sheltering of the Christ child is really unconscionable.We all can heartily sympathize with the plight of the Syrian refugees. But where are Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, and Russia in providing shelter to those refugees? Why does Graham not hold these countries accountable? And was this a deliberate move by ISIS and the Islamic Jihadists to flood Europe with Muslims and eventually take it over?Ezra, where do you get your extra biblical information from as to what the family of Jesus did and did not do when they went to Egypt? And what are you using to create such a definition of refugee?Here is the proper definition: ref·u·geeˌrefyo͝oˈjē/noun a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. Certainly sounds to me as if Jesus, Mary and Joseph were indeed refugees by definition - they were escaping persecution. Why does everyone else but us have any obligation to shelter these refugees from Syria? No one has an obligation to shelter them. We certainly do not. For one thing, we don't know who these people are and how many of them are actually terrorists blending in with non-terrorists. We have no way of assessing the danger to our own population.The president is wrong to just declare that we are going to take them in. It should not be his decision alone. He is not a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemakerIND Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 94 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/23/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1962 Share Posted September 11, 2015 JESUS is never a refugee ..... Man is dependable,,, Jesus is notJesus rejected bread from SatanJesus rejected worldly authorities, from satanJesus rejected whole wealth from satan because He is the creatorJesus is given life and took back..He is worthy in allWe are not to explain the matters in wrong way,,, We need to take care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) JESUS is never a refugee ..... Man is dependable,,, Jesus is notJesus rejected bread from SatanJesus rejected worldly authorities, from satanJesus rejected whole wealth from satan because He is the creatorJesus is given life and took back..He is worthy in allWe are not to explain the matters in wrong way,,, We need to take careI think you mean ..man is dependant...Jesus is not.from the view point of Frankilin Graham ..he is speaking in reference to Samaritan's Purse the organization that helps those displaced by war, famine, flood, tornado etc. a Christian based humanitarian organization. Edited September 11, 2015 by Littlelambseativy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/franklin-graham-jesus-was-a-refugee/Frankin Graham is trying to drum up sympathy for the Muslim refugee crisis by abusing Scripture. "Jesus was a refugee" he claims. That is utterly false. The child Jesus went with Joseph and Mary to Egypt at the behest of God the Father, because Herod would have destroyed the genuine King of the Jews. They did not seek help or assistance from the Egyptian ruler either. So to muddy the waters regarding the Islamic Invasion of Europe with the sheltering of the Christ child is really unconscionable.We all can heartily sympathize with the plight of the Syrian refugees. But where are Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, and Russia in providing shelter to those refugees? Why does Graham not hold these countries accountable? And was this a deliberate move by ISIS and the Islamic Jihadists to flood Europe with Muslims and eventually take it over?Ezra, where do you get your extra biblical information from as to what the family of Jesus did and did not do when they went to Egypt? And what are you using to create such a definition of refugee?Here is the proper definition: ref·u·geeˌrefyo͝oˈjē/noun a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. Certainly sounds to me as if Jesus, Mary and Joseph were indeed refugees by definition - they were escaping persecution. Why does everyone else but us have any obligation to shelter these refugees from Syria? No one has an obligation to shelter them. We certainly do not. For one thing, we don't know who these people are and how many of them are actually terrorists blending in with non-terrorists. We have no way of assessing the danger to our own population.The president is wrong to just declare that we are going to take them in. It should not be his decision alone. He is not a king.So you believe as christians we have no obligation to help the oppressed?We have no obligation to love our enemies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2015 JESUS is never a refugee ..... Man is dependable,,, Jesus is notJesus rejected bread from SatanJesus rejected worldly authorities, from satanJesus rejected whole wealth from satan because He is the creatorJesus is given life and took back..He is worthy in allWe are not to explain the matters in wrong way,,, We need to take careJesus became in all ways like us.Jesus became dependent on mere humans - Mary and Joseph.We are speaking of Jesus as a toddler here. One can say what they wish, but the definition of refugee is clear. And it is clear Jesus, Mary and Joseph fled persecution to another country that was not their own. This is the definition of a refugee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemakerIND Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 94 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/23/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1962 Share Posted September 11, 2015 JESUS is never a refugee ..... Man is dependable,,, Jesus is notJesus rejected bread from SatanJesus rejected worldly authorities, from satanJesus rejected whole wealth from satan because He is the creatorJesus is given life and took back..He is worthy in allWe are not to explain the matters in wrong way,,, We need to take careJesus became in all ways like us.Jesus became dependent on mere humans - Mary and Joseph.We are speaking of Jesus as a toddler here. One can say what they wish, but the definition of refugee is clear. And it is clear Jesus, Mary and Joseph fled persecution to another country that was not their own. This is the definition of a refugee. I don't think Jesus is depended on Joseph and Mary,,, i am trusting as Mary and Joseph are privileged to do some thing for JesusJesus ,,, said,,, if God wants children for Abraham, he can raise from stones.we need not to under estimate the power of God,,Jesus just want to fulfill 100% as human,Jesus can do any thing without human helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted September 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2015 JESUS is never a refugee ..... Man is dependable,,, Jesus is notJesus rejected bread from SatanJesus rejected worldly authorities, from satanJesus rejected whole wealth from satan because He is the creatorJesus is given life and took back..He is worthy in allWe are not to explain the matters in wrong way,,, We need to take careJesus became in all ways like us.Jesus became dependent on mere humans - Mary and Joseph.We are speaking of Jesus as a toddler here. One can say what they wish, but the definition of refugee is clear. And it is clear Jesus, Mary and Joseph fled persecution to another country that was not their own. This is the definition of a refugee. I don't think Jesus is depended on Joseph and Mary,,, i am trusting as Mary and Joseph are privileged to do some thing for JesusJesus ,,, said,,, if God wants children for Abraham, he can raise from stones.we need not to under estimate the power of God,,Jesus just want to fulfill 100% as human,Jesus can do any thing without human helpsYou don't think the baby Jesus was dependent on Mary for comfort, milk from her breast, clothing Joseph and Mary provided?Do you think Jesus as taken care of supernaturally? Or took care of himself supernaturally?He was a baby, and as a baby like all babies.What baby is not dependent on their mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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