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10 minutes ago, Radiant_Owl said:

I can't believe the temperature in this discussion about scripture. So much anger and defensiveness? For what?

I suppose it's because it is a salvation issue. I believe Jesus is the only way while onelight believes being Jewish will also help one's soul into heaven and I think this sort of distortion of the gospel to a particular people group, who have already suffered more than any other group in history, is diabolical. Haven't they suffered enough already for them to then be mislead into further suffering in an eternal Hell as well?

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wow.

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6 minutes ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

Now you're just being melodramatic. However if you watch it then we can have a informed debate. 

I am not interested in debating a lie, only providing truth.  If you go back a few pages, I did say that we can all trace our lineage back to Adam and Eve, as there has been no other creation of man besides them.  I also said that Gentiles are not of the bloodline of the Jewish people, part of the tribes of Israel.

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12 minutes ago, OneLight said:

No anger on my part.  Perhaps frustration is a better word.  Steven Anderson is anti-Semitic, proven through his own videos.  If someone is quoting this person, the error must be corrected before others fall into the same ditch.  Mr Anderson calls the Holocaust fake, though he does admit that Jews did die during WWII, like many other nationalities.  He then claims those who survived are paid to claim the Holocaust was true.

As i said to Radiant Owl i don't agree with every teaching that Steven Anderson comes out with but on this point he is 100% correct. Not everyone is right about everything, just as not everyone is wrong about everything (besides Jesus and the Devil). 

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3 minutes ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

I suppose it's because it is a salvation issue. I believe Jesus is the only way while onelight believes being Jewish will also help one's soul into heaven and I think this sort of distortion of the gospel to a particular people group, who have already suffered more than any other group in history, is diabolical. Haven't they suffered enough already for them to then be mislead into further suffering in an eternal Hell as well?

Another lie.  Show me one post where I said being  Jewish helps.  Go ahead, just one.

Anyone paying attention will see that I was refuting your claim that all Jews will go to hell.  You posted this two hours ago, back on page 4.

Buddhists go to Hell

Sihks go to Hell  

Agnostics go to Hell

Hindus go to Hell 

Atheists go to Hell

Muslims go to hell

Jews go to Hell

Christians go to Heaven 

You see, I followed up many time saying that anyone, from any nation, religion, culture, etc who turns to Jesus can be saved.

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6 minutes ago, OneLight said:

And I provided to you why you are misunderstanding scripture.  Salvation, as one time, was only for the Jews.  It is no long for Jews only, but Gentiles also, which is why the bloodlines are not longer valid when it comes to salvation.  Did you not see my post?  I know we have been posting pretty fast, so perhaps you did miss it.

As long as you think being Jewish is helpful for salvation you are wrong. 

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5 minutes ago, Radiant_Owl said:

wow.

Yes, wow indeed. 

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Just now, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

As long as you think being Jewish is helpful for salvation you are wrong. 

You have to stop with the false accusations.  Read my reply above.

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6 minutes ago, Radiant_Owl said:

wow.

Radiant_Owl, it would benefit you if you read the thread and not take his word for it.  Let the posts show you the truth.

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6 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I am not interested in debating a lie, only providing truth.  If you go back a few pages, I did say that we can all trace our lineage back to Adam and Eve, as there has been no other creation of man besides them.  I also said that Gentiles are not of the bloodline of the Jewish people, part of the tribes of Israel.

Yes of course we can trace our lineage to Adam and Eve , and for that matter Noah too but again your assumption that 'Gentiles are not of the bloodline of the Jewish people' is wrong. Everyone alive today is just about related to everyone who existed only 1000 years ago. This means that by the time you go back 3500 years to Judah's time then the mathematical probability of being related to Judah is 100%.    

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